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Captain_Yuri said:
Any of you cool people have a tldr?

 

TL DR version:

+Didnt show enough stuff on the trailer.

+Since it didnt show enough stuff, it means Nintendo still has communications problems.

+Stupid decision by Nintendo to show no more new information until next year, since the time window until the launch is small.

+Sony said more in their reveal of the PS4, with games and whatnot, while Nintendo did not.(basically comparing a full reveal with a teaser trailer

+Again, showing few to next zero games and that it showed little of the ones that did appear, and he assumes that as a communication problem

+Jack of all trades, master of none

+Too expensive and not enough portable for the handheld lover consumer

+Didnt say any about other features, such as youtube, memory, touchscreen and stuff

 



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Eh. I think they communicated the system fine. Nintendo never called it a hybrid - fans did. I wouldn't call it a home gaming system either, but I think that it functions like one and is pretty indiscernible from one when docked, so that bit's fine.

I literally think that they could withhold information about the system until a week before, and the thing would still sell. The precedent that console manufacturers have set for when it comes to revealing tech is not iron-clad. Nintendo can afford to be late about this. The concept alone is enough to sell many people on it. I think you'll see a massive direct next year with an information blowout, and that will really ramp up enthusiasm for the Switch. But Nintendo definitely has the luxury of time. Nintendo left a lot to the imagination with this teaser, and the enthusiasm has been palpable and nearly ubiquitous, so I think thats a win for them so far.

The Switch is more analogous to a laptop than anything else, so lack of power won't be an issue. People who buy laptops don't expect bleeding edge processing power, they expect utility and flexibility. That's what the Switch is doing for home consoles. No one buying a Switch is going to miss the power of the home consoles. It's not the same thing. It's a different market, just like the laptop and desktop markets are. Desktops are for professionals and enthusiasts while laptops are for the common folk who value convenience and flexibility over performance. Nintendo is going for a similar dynamic with the Switch.

You're drawing comparisons to two markets that won't effect it. "How can this laptop-thingie sell? It's way weaker than my desktop, but it's more expensive and less portable than my smartphone? Who's going to want to buy something like this?? Jack of all trades, but master of none."

I just don't think what they've been doing is a mistake at all. Waiting this long was a good call, and so is only teasing and doing nothing else until next year. I guess only time will tell, though! Let's hope for the best.



Well, this is new.

Read.

Is this how people see it? am I just too much of a nintendo fan?
Im alot more optimistic about the Switch than I was the Wii U.



Nautilus said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Any of you cool people have a tldr?

 

TL DR version:

+Didnt show enough stuff on the trailer.

+Since it didnt show enough stuff, it means Nintendo still has communications problems.

+Stupid decision by Nintendo to show no more new information until next year, since the time window until the launch is small.

+Sony said more in their reveal of the PS4, with games and whatnot, while Nintendo did not.(basically comparing a full reveal with a teaser trailer

+Again, showing few to next zero games and that it showed little of the ones that did appear, and he assumes that as a communication problem

+Jack of all trades, master of none

+Too expensive and not enough portable for the handheld lover consumer

+Didnt say any about other features, such as youtube, memory, touchscreen and stuff

 

Thanks dude!

OP:

It's a preview trailer... Nintendo told everyone that before hand. Its not meant to show all of that. What sony had was a press conference, not a preview trailer. They also have two products to sell this holiday. They start giving out info, it could hinder the sales of the wiiU and specially the 3ds. The entire point of the trailer was the give a preview of what's to come, not that this is all we all be getting as far of information goes. And we don't know the price.



             

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Nintendo said on Twitter this was a preview of the NX. Then they showed the preview trailer. They pretty much did what was expected for a preview trailer, getting the new console's name out and show what it can do. All the other features that are not the main focus of the console will be detailed out on a later date.



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That's actually very well written. Points out all major issues. Kudos.



I thought that 3 minute trailer of the Nintendo Switch made it clear what it is and how it will work. I don't see why there would be any confusion over it based on that video.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:

A nice, slick and well marketed machine                                                                -> Done

We don't know anything yet about the console and almost all of the threads or articles about it are asking questions about what it really is/does (handheld? tablet? home console? hybrid?). Its not what I call "well marketed" when noone knows anything (or almost anything) about your product. It barely made the news : 30 seconds at the end of the TV news in France saying basically "Nintendo announced its next hybrid console, coming in March, no more information at this point", and the newspaper with a video game section I've read the next day were talking about games like Persona 5 (which will be at the Paris Games Week) and not one word about the Switch (I saw some other newspapers had an article about it, but once again, the minimal stuff). I've seen more PS4 ads this week with the Champions Leagues games than Switch's. Well, there are no Switch ads, so it's not that hard ^^.

Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Unified library/concept and preventing internal competition or droughts      -> Done

They said, several times, that the Switch is a home console and that the 3DS will keep getting games and should have a proper successor (maybe still undecided about it). Nothing has been said about an unified library or concept and this kind of declaration says otherwise. 

Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Minimal 3rd party support (from Japan)                                                                -> Done

The Wii U already had some Japanese 3rd party support, at least at the beginning. The Switch trailer shows exactly 0 Japanese 3rd party game. The only Japanese 3rd party game we know about is Dragon Quest 11, also available on 3DS (which contradict the second point). We even saw more Western 3rd party games than Japanese ones so far. So the Japanese 3rd party support is still a question as unanswered as the other ones. 

 

Your 3 "solved problems" only look like "still unanswered questions" at best if I'm not missing new information...



Goodnightmoon said:

Not really, I think is just the imperative need of putting everything Nintendo related on a bad light.

They showed a concept that people has quickly understood and is getting quite a positive buzz. The only reason they are not giving more info is to not overshadow 3DS and Mini Nes this holidays. after that they have 3 months to fully detail everything we don't know and use the momentum to have good numbers at release.

They don't want the hardware that their entire future as a console manufacturer likely hinges upon to "overshadow" a nostalgic anecdote made for basically one holiday run and some quick cash in the waiting stages and a handheld that it barely managing half of its predecessors sales even without proper competition and a killer line-up of software? People are screaming for more info, withholding it at this point is ridiculous and won't win them neither points nor more customers. They are either still utterly oblivious to how the modern market works, and by extension, its consumers, or they're withholding info because the final decisions simply haven't been made yet. That's what I'm thinking anyway, I'm hoping it's the latter.

The need to put what appear to be bad decisions in a bad light is justified and then some, the plan as it stands seems full of holes. Are people not allowed to be skeptical of this concept? They're making a huge gamble and it could go wrong. A big number of Nintendo fans will say that it'll be fine, and they may be right, but you can't just brush of any and all criticism as hogwash on a whim, there are legitimate concerns revolving around the NS and most major online publications and their readers are all over them (in addition to some positive buzz, of course).

I at least partially agree with the OP, the NS seems (at least at the moment) to be offering the worst of two markets and trying to appeal to two or more widely different demographics (they obviously want the casuals back and they want to regain and retain the favour of the more core gamers as well), this was in no small part what brought the Wii U to its knees from the beginning. Between phones, tablets, computers and actual dedicated home consoles, this might land in an awkward middle territory that could very well lack merit. Time will tell, as will more info, but for now there are a lot of points to be made as to why the NS won't be a runaway success, in both the short and long run.


Still waiting for more info, I plan on making my own thread with some thoughts and theories, seeing as how I managed to mark the 8th gen down almost to the inch so far and made some early and good calls, it'll be fun at any rate as something to come back to, regardless of whether it comes true or not. Oh, and I'm eagerly awaiting Johnlucas' return with the inevitable 240 million lifetime sales and enormously intellectual reasoning behind the numbers.



Three months after 2017 comes around should be plenty time to answer any outstanding questions or do you feel this insufficient?