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Knitemare on 07 September 2016
smroadkill15 said:

Every game on both the Xbox one and Ps4 require the game to be installed, even if you buy the disc version. I own the disc version of Witcher 3, and it requires to be installed, plus every update since release. As for Halo 5, 46.2GB was on the disc itself. There was a 9GB day 1 patch. So day 1 the game was a 54.8GB. Since then there has been a steady stream of updates ranging from 2-6 GB each month. It adds up. 

I know, and I agree with isntallation, but that was not the problem, the problem was the massive amount of data that I had to DOWNLOAD. I have only 10 Mb connection, and this kind of "update" destroys my gaming time, which I dont have much these days...



                          

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Conina on 07 September 2016
Knitemare said:
smroadkill15 said:

Every game on both the Xbox one and Ps4 require the game to be installed, even if you buy the disc version. I own the disc version of Witcher 3, and it requires to be installed, plus every update since release. As for Halo 5, 46.2GB was on the disc itself. There was a 9GB day 1 patch. So day 1 the game was a 54.8GB. Since then there has been a steady stream of updates ranging from 2-6 GB each month. It adds up. 

I know, and I agree with isntallation, but that was not the problem, the problem was the massive amount of data that I had to DOWNLOAD. I have only 10 Mb connection, and this kind of "update" destroys my gaming time, which I dont have much these days...

Why is this kind of "update" destroying your gaming time? I could understand that argument if downloads in the background weren't possible (big improvement of the 8th gen compared to the 7th gen) and if the XBO were your only system.

For multi-platform owners this is a non-issue... just play something on system B (or C, or D,...) while installing/patching a game on system A.



Darc Requiem on 07 September 2016
Conina said:
Knitemare said:

I know, and I agree with isntallation, but that was not the problem, the problem was the massive amount of data that I had to DOWNLOAD. I have only 10 Mb connection, and this kind of "update" destroys my gaming time, which I dont have much these days...

Why is this kind of "update" destroying your gaming time? I could understand that argument if downloads in the background weren't possible (big improvement of the 8th gen compared to the 7th gen) and if the XBO were your only system.

For multi-platform owners this is a non-issue... just play something on system B (or C, or D,...) while installing/patching a game on system A.

If you have a limited amount of time to play, required updates will cut into your play time. 



smroadkill15 on 07 September 2016
Knitemare said:

I know, and I agree with isntallation, but that was not the problem, the problem was the massive amount of data that I had to DOWNLOAD. I have only 10 Mb connection, and this kind of "update" destroys my gaming time, which I dont have much these days...

That's the beauty of instant on mode. Everything downloads while I'm asleep so by the next morning it's all ready to go. For instance Halo 5 had an update today, but by the time I woke up the game had already updated. This goes for all my games. It does suck that you have a 10 Mb connection. Mine is 118 Mb last time I checked, but mine was pretty terrible less than a couple months ago so I feel your pain. 



Knitemare on 07 September 2016
smroadkill15 said:

That's the beauty of instant on mode. Everything downloads while I'm asleep so by the next morning it's all ready to go. For instance Halo 5 had an update today, but by the time I woke up the game had already updated. This goes for all my games. It does suck that you have a 10 Mb connection. Mine is 118 Mb last time I checked, but mine was pretty terrible less than a couple months ago so I feel your pain. 

And a month and a half ago, I had just barely 0.5 Mb connection, because for the ubication of my town, there was no other speed available from the only ISP. Thank god they upgraded their systems, or I would never be able to play Halo 5... Just for fun, I finished the campaing in less time that it took me to download... Didnt like it as much as the past 4.



                          

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Azzanation on 07 September 2016
Sixteenvolt420 said:
Azzanation said:
Buying physical games in general don't make sense. The effort of changing disks all the time, worrying about scratching them, wearing out the laser and storing the game on your shelves plus you still have to download half the games anyway since 99% of them require day one patches.
Digital is simple, download it and its there when you want it all the time. Cant be stolen, damaged or requires you to put the disk in the machine.

But with physical, you can either sell the game when you're finished, or trade it to somebody, for another game that you want to play. If the game sucks, you're not stuck with a $60 piece of garbage. The effort of walking 10 feet to my tv, isn't too much for me or most others to handle. It's not like i'm changing discs 10 times a day, or anything like that. You don't have to worry about scratching blu-rays, they're not like the old discs were in the past. You really have to try and screw up a disc on purpose, for it to not work. I've honestly never had a laser wear out either, but then again, i usually flip my console for a newer model, about 5 years into the generation.

When you have over a 1000 games on Steam it becomes abit of a problem if i had to manually put the game into my PC and also finding the space to store them. Disks can get damaged or dirty. Its just more effort for alot less benefits. Also when i buy games i dont plan on reselling them so apart from reselling the games for practically nothing what are the other benefits you get from physical media? I have listed atleast 4 and i can mention many more while resale value is the only thing i can think of and maybe installing off the disk as the only benefits you can from disks. 

Just to add games read faster off the hard drive and not the disk plus digital tends to be cheaper on PC and offer alot more flexibility with sales and you wont even need a player to play them which can also save you money.

I have many physical copy of games and even dating back to my NES and PS1 days. Honesty disks have only become a problem for me now.



Azzanation on 07 September 2016
archer9234 said:

Azzanation said:
Buying physical games in general don't make sense. The effort of changing disks all the time, - You've gotten lazy.

worrying about scratching them, - I got 20+ year old disc games and music, all fine. 

wearing out the laser, - Still have all my disc consoles working fine. I maintain them.

storing the game on your shelves - If you have the space, what's the problem? Lazy?

plus you still have to download half the games - So downloading everything, is better?

anyway since 99% of them require day one patches. - Better question. Why doesn't MS and Sony allow us to backup the patches? Then that would never matter. I'd just restore the patches, from a hdd, disc, sd of mine. If I needed to.


Digital is simple, - Put in drive, install, download patch. Simple.

download it and its there when you want it all the time. - My physical games are there when I want them.

Cant be stolen, - Hacking your account would make it stolen too. Just like the low odds of people breaking into your house.

Not lazy. Just convenient  Like i mentioned before i have many physical games dating back to the 80s. Some work some dont and there worthless. Ill get acouple bucks for most of them. Digital always work no matter if its 50 years in the from now, its ageless. I also have many players that have wore out lasers and barely read disks like my PS1.

Look at my Steam account and check how many games i have. 

Moving house has never been easier or traveling. Dont need to take the games with you. Also if you have a house fire or a natural disaster you can lose them all. Honestly theres no point in them. 

If you use a TV remote i guess i can call you lazy as well because its the same think. Who changes channel by walking up to the TV in 2016?.

Convenience is a great thing to have.



Pemalite on 08 September 2016
smroadkill15 said:
Knitemare said:

I know, and I agree with isntallation, but that was not the problem, the problem was the massive amount of data that I had to DOWNLOAD. I have only 10 Mb connection, and this kind of "update" destroys my gaming time, which I dont have much these days...

That's the beauty of instant on mode. Everything downloads while I'm asleep so by the next morning it's all ready to go. For instance Halo 5 had an update today, but by the time I woke up the game had already updated. This goes for all my games. It does suck that you have a 10 Mb connection. Mine is 118 Mb last time I checked, but mine was pretty terrible less than a couple months ago so I feel your pain. 

Except Instant-on requires additional power consumption.
I live in a part of the world with one of the highest electricity prices.

It can also inconveniently suck up all your bandwidth when you wish to do something else, like... Stream.

It would just be simpler than instead of being given 2 options... I.E. "Download and Skip+Stay Offline" we were given a 3rd like "Download later".
Or take a page out of Blizzards book and allow us to pre-load the patch.




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Barozi on 08 September 2016
Knitemare said:
smroadkill15 said:

That's the beauty of instant on mode. Everything downloads while I'm asleep so by the next morning it's all ready to go. For instance Halo 5 had an update today, but by the time I woke up the game had already updated. This goes for all my games. It does suck that you have a 10 Mb connection. Mine is 118 Mb last time I checked, but mine was pretty terrible less than a couple months ago so I feel your pain. 

And a month and a half ago, I had just barely 0.5 Mb connection, because for the ubication of my town, there was no other speed available from the only ISP. Thank god they upgraded their systems, or I would never be able to play Halo 5... Just for fun, I finished the campaing in less time that it took me to download... Didnt like it as much as the past 4.

And I already told you that you don't have to download anything to play the campaign. Stay offline. That way the speed of your ISP would be completely irrelevant.

And as I and other mentioned already. Change your console to instant-on. This way updates won't cut into your playtime. (Besides you could still play something else in the mean time.)



d21lewis on 10 September 2016

I have two Xbox One consoles and I kind of agree with you. I hate changing discs and, when I buy digitally, I can have a single game running on both consoles at once. Not so much with disc based games.

I still but retail a lot, though. It's just not as intimidating to go digital like it used to be.