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DonFerrari on 11 July 2016
curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

But yes Zelda will probably be the best use of WiiU capacities.

Most likely, seeing as it will be the last Wii U game that strives to push the platform, and is the culimination of many years of extensive experience with the hardware.

It's been a long road for Nintendo from this:

 

To this:

Art style aside it sure is a great jump



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160rmf on 11 July 2016
Nuvendil said:
curl-6 said:

It's true they made the transition more gracefully than a lot of other developers, but you can still see quite a noticeable progression from launch titles like New Super Mario Bros U and Nintendoland, to midlife titles like Maro Kart 8 and Captain Toad, and finally Breath of the Wild.

Oh definitely.  But that they had something as gorgeous as Rainbow Road 64 and Bowser's Castle in Mario Kart 8 just one and a half years after the launch of the system is impressive.  But yeah, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Breath of the wild really show how far they came in a fairly short span.   Also they show how ridiculous the people saying Nintendo doesn't need more powerful hardware are.  Nintendo'stuff been squirming within the confines of the Wii U since 2014.

Obviously they need more powerful hardware to improve their games technically, but they don't need to have the best specs of the market to deliver the best games of the generation. That's what i think most people are saying.



 

 

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Miyamotoo on 11 July 2016
160rmf said:
Nuvendil said:

Oh definitely.  But that they had something as gorgeous as Rainbow Road 64 and Bowser's Castle in Mario Kart 8 just one and a half years after the launch of the system is impressive.  But yeah, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Breath of the wild really show how far they came in a fairly short span.   Also they show how ridiculous the people saying Nintendo doesn't need more powerful hardware are.  Nintendo'stuff been squirming within the confines of the Wii U since 2014.

Obviously they need powerful hardware to improve their games technically, but they don't need to have the best specs of the market to deliver the best games of the generation. That's what i think most people are saying.

Or one even most beautiful games, Eurogamer for instance in 2015. said that Mario Kart is most beautiful game this gen till date. This Zelda also even tehnicaly is far behind XB1/PS4 games, looking great.



GOWTLOZ on 11 July 2016
curl-6 said:
GOWTLOZ said:

I agree that Killzone 3 looks really amazing, its graphics are probably the best I've played on PS3 after GOW 3 and Ascension, but it also has a bit more open levels, much more advanced AI, which probably is required more in shooting games, and physics but it doesn't run at the 40-50fps that both GOW games run at.

On topic Skyrim is a terrible comparison to make, the game looks much worse than any other big release of that year on PS3 and 360. Far Cry 3 looks good but probably doesn't take advantage of either console's capability like an exclusive game like BOTW does and even then games like Batman Arkham City and GTA V look better while also open world. And I do think both look better than BOTW, but its hard to compare these games.

Breath of the Wild is not an exclusive, it's multiplat between Wii U and NX.

Regarding GTA V and Arkham City, those games look very good on PS3/360, but a cityscape of rectangular buildings is generally easier to render than rolling organic landscapes packed with dynamic vegetation.

Wii U has 1GB of RAM available for games, but PS3 and 360 have less than 500MB. As such, Breath of Wild likely wouldn't fit into the working memory of PS3 or 360, it would have to be cut down until it fit, which would require downgrades.

GTA V has both a cityscape and has a beautiful countryside with impressive terrain and weather systems in place. But it does have less vegetation than BOTW on PS3. Still though, it renders many NPC's and vehicles at once, and they are complex models.



Nuvendil on 11 July 2016
160rmf said:
Nuvendil said:

Oh definitely.  But that they had something as gorgeous as Rainbow Road 64 and Bowser's Castle in Mario Kart 8 just one and a half years after the launch of the system is impressive.  But yeah, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Breath of the wild really show how far they came in a fairly short span.   Also they show how ridiculous the people saying Nintendo doesn't need more powerful hardware are.  Nintendo'stuff been squirming within the confines of the Wii U since 2014.

Obviously they need more powerful hardware to improve their games technically, but they don't need to have the best specs of the market to deliver the best games of the generation. That's what i think most people are saying.

Well no people have said it with regards to visuals.  I'm just pointing out it's quite obvious that Nintendo is straining the Wii U almost from the start.  Even Mario Karting 8 shows this.  The background shows considerable compromises, especially in Mario Circuit (Wii U).  And the framerate runs at 30 and other compromises are made when playing 4 player split screen.  



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Hynad on 11 July 2016
Miyamotoo said:
160rmf said:

Obviously they need powerful hardware to improve their games technically, but they don't need to have the best specs of the market to deliver the best games of the generation. That's what i think most people are saying.

Or one even most beautiful games, Eurogamer for instance in 2015. said that Mario Kart is most beautiful game this gen till date. This Zelda also even tehnicaly is far behind XB1/PS4 games, looking great.

Source? 

I'm not seeing any of that here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-15-mario-kart-8-review
 or
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-mario-kart-8



Miyamotoo on 11 July 2016
Hynad said:
Miyamotoo said:

Or one even most beautiful games, Eurogamer for instance in 2015. said that Mario Kart is most beautiful game this gen till date. This Zelda also even tehnicaly is far behind XB1/PS4 games, looking great.

Source? 

I'm not seeing any of that here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-15-mario-kart-8-review
 or
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-mario-kart-8

"It's also an audiovisual wonder: the most beautiful game of the new hardware generation to date, a game that lights up your synapses as it laughs off the Wii U's horsepower deficit in a riot of colour, brilliant animation and blistering performance; a game that evokes the dazzling, long-lost wow factor of the arcade."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-31-eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2014



Hynad on 11 July 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Hynad said:

Source? 

I'm not seeing any of that here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-15-mario-kart-8-review
 or
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-mario-kart-8

"It's also an audiovisual wonder: the most beautiful game of the new hardware generation to date, a game that lights up your synapses as it laughs off the Wii U's horsepower deficit in a riot of colour, brilliant animation and blistering performance; a game that evokes the dazzling, long-lost wow factor of the arcade."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-31-eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2014

That isn't the voice of all Eurogamer. Only the indivual comment from one person in the panel that made MK8 the game of the year in 2014. 

The DF analysis is much better suited to express what you try to push forward. Yet they don't say or agree to anything of the sort in their article. 



Miyamotoo on 11 July 2016
Hynad said:
Miyamotoo said:

"It's also an audiovisual wonder: the most beautiful game of the new hardware generation to date, a game that lights up your synapses as it laughs off the Wii U's horsepower deficit in a riot of colour, brilliant animation and blistering performance; a game that evokes the dazzling, long-lost wow factor of the arcade."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-31-eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2014

That isn't the voice of all Eurogamer. Only the indivual comment from one person in the panel that made MK8 the game of the year in 2014. 

The DF analysis is much better suited to express what you try to push forward. Yet they don't say or agree to anything of the sort in their article. 

That was said buy Eurogamer, and this was said around 9 months after MK8 launch. I dont see any problem, with statment they made:

"It's also an audiovisual wonder: the most beautiful game of the new hardware generation to date, a game that lights up your synapses as it laughs off the Wii U's horsepower deficit in a riot of colour, brilliant animation and blistering performance; a game that evokes the dazzling, long-lost wow factor of the arcade."



Hynad on 11 July 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Hynad said:

That isn't the voice of all Eurogamer. Only the indivual comment from one person in the panel that made MK8 the game of the year in 2014. 

The DF analysis is much better suited to express what you try to push forward. Yet they don't say or agree to anything of the sort in their article. 

That was said buy Eurogamer, and this was said around 9 months after MK8 launch. I dont see any problem, with statment they made:

"It's also an audiovisual wonder: the most beautiful game of the new hardware generation to date, a game that lights up your synapses as it laughs off the Wii U's horsepower deficit in a riot of colour, brilliant animation and blistering performance; a game that evokes the dazzling, long-lost wow factor of the arcade."

A statement he made, that isn't mirrored by any of the other people in the panel, nor the review, nor the Digital Foundry article.

K? Bye.