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Well, is it objectively verifiable?

Yes 57 15.20%
 
Not Sure 20 5.33%
 
No 244 65.07%
 
What's objective mean? 16 4.27%
 
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DivinePaladin on 30 January 2016
fatslob-:O said:
Rehashed topic ...

Can we disprove him ?

In fairness, burden of proof sits with the person making the outlandish claim. Not to say religion is outlandish necessarily, but it's definitely more so than the claim that there isn't a god. 



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binary solo on 30 January 2016
RadiantDanceMachine said:

It is my position that no amount of subjective evidence would be sufficient to prove a claim. 

Since subjective evidence is mere opinion, it serves no function in matters of truth. For example, suppose I claim to have seen Bigfoot. Someone else makes the same proclamation. So on and so forth...would this be convincing to anybody? I should hope not.  The reason for this is because the subject is unable to self-confirm his or her experiences. The subject can be mistaken, can hallucinate, can have invalid sensory interpretation. 

Now contrast this with the objective - that which is not subject to interpretation. For example, suppose I had filmed the 9/11 terror attacks. No one can argue that two planes did not collide with the WTC because it's right there on video. (ignoring the possibility of doctored videos, which can be detected anyway)

Now, can anyone think of objective evidence for the existence of God? If so, please share it. I would be supremely interested in it.

Do a search for Aristotle's proof of the existence of God, then look up Avicenna's proof.





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KungKras on 30 January 2016

The null hypothesis applies to every statement about reality.

If someone postulates a god that can't be proven or disproven. Noone should have to assume that he exists. There is no reason to.



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Qwark on 30 January 2016
Mr.Playstation said:

Moses- Existed
Jesus- Existed
Abraham -Existed

They all talked about the same god and there was a period of 2000 years between Abraham and Jesus.

 


There are believes which are way older and long lasting so they are wrong?



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episteme on 30 January 2016

That again, lol.

The idea of an infinite god is constructed that it can't be verified or falsified. That's why it survived so long.

EDIT: well, you can demonstrate with logic that the infinity of god is impossible, but the logic itself can't be fully proven (skeptical arguments or Gödel if you want).

 

Some gods with other definitions could be verified or falsified. Like the ones of religions with concrete predictions.

 

Also: that's a rather simplistic concept of objectivity for someone with that tag.



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etking on 30 January 2016

If you can create life from scratch and therefore be a God by yourself, the existance of another God does not matter anymore. Therefore science should try to create real life from scratch.



FunFan on 30 January 2016

Dude. Christianity is about faith, not about searching for the answer of life, the universe and everything.



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Puppyroach on 30 January 2016
Mr.Playstation said:

Moses- Existed
Jesus- Existed
Abraham -Existed

They all talked about the same god and there was a period of 2000 years between Abraham and Jesus.

There is much question about whether or not any of them existed and you are talking about two different religions, where the biblical god is copied form the Judaic god. All we have are records from people claiming some type of god, which is very similar to mythological gods in most religion. It's more in common with humanities efforts to explain the unknown than with any verifiable entity. It's also a way for us to put our ethics into writing and giving them some kind of weight by claiming they are words from an almighty being.





JWeinCom on 30 January 2016

Oh absolutely. 100% proof? Probably not. But there could be enough proof that it would be stupid to think otherwise.

For example...

If the laws of physics were consistently violated in the favor of one particular religious group.

If someone claiming to be god came to Earth and was able to do things that completely defied known laws (like morphing a dog into an elephant, levitating everyone on Earth simultaneously etc.

If tomorrow, all wars and conflict ended.

If we woke up tomorrow and Pokemon were real.

If Half Life 3 releases.

If everyone simultaneously heard the same identical message in their minds saying "yo watup. I'm god. Here's what I need you to do from now on.

There are literally millions and millions of ways an omnipotent god who wanted people to know about his existence could prove it. Instead he used the "tell people about it in a book that contains unverifiable information" method.

If there is a god, he's a rather poor communicator.



BMaker11 on 30 January 2016

God is not falsifiable and is, therefore, not verifiable.

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