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Forums - Politics Discussion - There is no Such Thing as "White Privilege"

Puppyroach said:
A lot of people who were young and very opposed to black rights in the 60's are now owners of companies and other facilities. Anyone thinking all of them all of a sudden are open minded and tolerant, are naive.

A good point.

I may not be as well versed in the details of American history as some, which is why I've only been reading up until now, but I do know that an abolishment or a government act is rarely a magic wand that will make everything ok instantly.

Someone in this thread made the point that the Civil Rights act was only 50 years ago. That means the era when it was still ok to discriminate against others based on race is still within living memory. It would be ridiculous to think that people who've lived through those times and seen segregation and discrimination -  whichever race they are - would just change their attitudes and live like it had never happened. It would be ridiculous also to think that their experiences didn't have an effect on what values and opinions they teach their kids, well intentioned or not.

It's going to take generations of people being positive on all sides before the idea of 'white privilege', whether it's real or perceived, disappears completely.



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Netyaroze said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

White privilege at its extent generally benefits males, but yes to some extent you would be correct. I mean, Womens rights have been a huge part of American history though so we should honor that as well.

 

How does white privilege affect males differently then females? Also is there an Asian privilege as well?  Considering Asians.earn.more in the USA then whites?  And are the priviledged group in alot of Asian.countries? 

Because before the womens rights movement, most of the domination in the world was being done by males. Males have been keeping women in moral check for thousands of years and only recently in the last century to now have they been gradually gaining ground because we've noticed the error of our ways. During WW2 women proved their worth in the workforce and after that it has pretty much changed the way men thought about them.  Women enjoyed the trappings of going to white establishments during segregation but also had many things they couldnt do because they were women. See the only people who got to enjoy all of it was white males. 

As for the asian question, I dont know what you mean because there are many asian countries. Places from Saudi Arabia all the way to Japan and India. Are you talking about a specific country?



DonFerrari said:
Scoobes said:

Unfortunately, profiling usually isn't based on stats but ideology and inherent prejudices.

So isn't black gang members responsible for most violent crimes in USA? And prejudice is part of human being and won't ever stop (if we are talking about generalization on before knowing a person based on the general statistic of a population) the probably isn't exactly the prejudice, but why that population is seem like that.

I posted this link earlier:

http://www.jbwtucker.com/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/

  • In New York City, whites comprise 44% of the population; blacks and Latinos, 53%.[4]
    • Between 2005 and 2008, 80% of NYPD stops were of blacks and Latinos. Only 10% of stops were of whites.
    • 85% of those frisked were black; only 8% were white. (Blacks and Latinos were frisked 50% of the time; whites, only 34%.)
    • Under the NYPD’s controversial “stop-and-frisk” program, in every year since 2009, 87% of those stopped-and-frisked were black or Latino. 10% were white.[5]
    • 24% of blacks and Latinos had force used against them by the NYPD, compared to only 17% of whites.
    • Only 2.6% of all stops (1.6 million stops over 3.5 years) resulted in the discovery of contraband or a weapon. Whites were more likely to be found with contraband or a weapon.
  • Similar trends are seen in Department of Justice data from Los Angeles between July 2003 and June 2004.
    • The stop rate for blacks was 3,400 stops per 10,000 residents higher than the white stop rate. The Latino stop rate was 360 stops higher.
    • Blacks were 127% more likely to get frisked and 76% more likely to get searched than whites; Latinos, 43% more likely to get frisked and 16% more likely to get searched.
    • And yet, frisked blacks were 42% less likely to be found with a weapon than frisked whites; Latinos, 32% less likely.
    • Consensual searches of blacks were “37 percent less likely to uncover weapons, 23.7 percent less likely to uncover drugs, and 25.4 percent less likely to uncover any other type of contraband, than consensual searches of Whites.”
    • Consensual searches of Latinos were “32.8 percent less likely to uncover weapons, 34.3 percent less likely to uncover drugs, and 12.3 percent less likely to uncover any other type of contraband than consensual searches of Whites.”
  • Similar statistics can be seen across the U.S.
    • A study in Arizona found state highway patrol 3.5 times more likely to search a stopped Native American, and 2.5 times more likely to search a stopped African American or Latino, than a white person. And yet, whites who were searched were more likely than all other groups to be transporting drugs, guns, or other contraband.
    • A study in West Virginia showed black drivers 1.64 times more likely, and Latinos 1.48 times more likely, to be stopped than white drivers. After being stopped, non-whites were more likely to get arrested, even though police “obtained a significantly higher contraband hit rate for white drivers than minorities.”
    • In Illinois, data showed the number of consent searches after traffic stops, for blacks and Latinos, to be “more than double that of whites”—even though “white motorists were twice as likely to have contraband”!
    • Studies in Minnesota and Texas have yielded the same results, with blacks and Latinos being stopped more often, even though whites were more likely to have contraband.
  • In another study, it was found that blacks are three times more likely to be stopped in California than whites.[6]
  • A 2007 U.S. Department of Justice report on racial profiling found that blacks and Latinos were 3 times as likely to be stopped as whites, and that blacks were twice as likely to be arrested and 4 times as likely “to experience the threat or use of force during interactions with the police.”[7][8]

 

  • Blacks are less than 13% of the U.S. population, and they make up only 14% of regular drug users, but they are 37% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 56% of those in state prisons for drug offenses.[9]
  • Black kids are 10 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes than white kids [11]—even though white kids are more likely to abuse drugs[11].
  • Blacks aged 18-25 are less likely than whites to have used marijuana in the last 12 months[12]:

Blacks of all ages are also more likely never to have used marijuana[12]:

And yet, black arrest rates for marijuana are astronomically higher—and the disparity is only getting worse[12]:

More at the link, but you get the idea. Basing decisions on ideology and prejudices instead of data is is just thick and horribly unproductive.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Netyaroze said:

 

How does white privilege affect males differently then females? Also is there an Asian privilege as well?  Considering Asians.earn.more in the USA then whites?  And are the priviledged group in alot of Asian.countries? 

Because before the womens rights movement, most of the domination in the world was being done by males. Males have been keeping women in moral check for thousands of years and only recently in the last century to now have they been gradually gaining ground because we've noticed the error of our ways. During WW2 women proved their worth in the workforce and after that it has pretty much changed the way men thought about them.  Women enjoyed the trappings of going to white establishments during segregation but also had many things they couldnt do because they were women. See the only people who got to enjoy all of it was white males. 

As for the asian question, I dont know what you mean because there are many asian countries. Places from Saudi Arabia all the way to Japan and India. Are you talking about a specific country?

In addition to acknowledging the enormity (and enormous diversity) of Asia, we have to acknowledge that our definition of "Asian" is meaningless to people living in Asia...

Every society creates it's own classifications of race...

Race may be completely meaningless to societies that prioritize ethnicity, geography, language or religion (among other things) as a tool of identification...

Race is in no way absolute; how others classify a person depends on the society doing the classifying...

Even geography isn't absolute; Greece was considered of Asia for a decent chunk of human history...



Have a nice day...

The fact that those bundy guys in the US are still alive is the greatest testament to white privilege there ever was.



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SpokenTruth said:
Lawlight said:

Yes, there is discrimination in the workplace - discrimation against white people as companies want to employ minorities for the sake of it.

That's actrually against the law.



Eh, I take it you do not hire people? I am the manger of a store and my bosses want us to hire minorities whenever possible. In my local area 2/3rd of our employees are minorities





Lawlight said:
WolfpackN64 said:

You mean how a lot of companies filter out applications from colored workers?



Any proof of that?



http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf

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Every race, gender body type, and age group has privilege.

A man is less likely to get overcharged by a mechanic. A woman is more likely to get custody of the kids.

A white person may not get followed around in a store. A black person can get extra consideration for a job because they are black.

A younger person makes less and is more likely to get a job regardless of experience, while an older person is more likely to be trusted.

A person in shape/attractive will get more attention and better service, while a out of shape/unattractive person can...I don't know it sucks to be them :)



Wiibaron said:

You think all the Italians, Irish, Germans, Poles, Danes, Brits on and on started out advantaged? These people came over on a boat too, with nothing but a suitcase and a desire and dream to do better. They didn't even have the advantage/privelidge of speaking the language, yet they have thrived. Back then there were no 'programs' or safety nets to help out. These things are new to the mix. And we can see they are more like hammocks to make a person lazy and uninspired. Ask a 85 year old Yugoslavian grandma if she feels white priveledge helped her family make it...

"These people came over on a boat too". You compare a group of people that came over here of there own free will with a race of people that came over on slave ships in chains who were considered less than human and you think that's a fair comparison.

Says it all really. 

 

 

 

 





People in this thread don't seem to understand what white privilege is.

When you see a black guy wearing baggy pants, a backwards hat, and timbs, and you cross the street because you subconsciously think he's dangerous, but when a white guy is wearing the same and you don't mind it; that's white privilege.

When Demetrius and Brett have the same background and qualifications, but Brett is the one who gets all the job interviews; that's white privilege.

When a white kid is stealing a bike and people just assume its his bike and he's trying to unlock it, but a black kid does the exact same thing, and people approach him aggressively because they assume he's actually stealing the bike; that's white privilege.

When cops kill unarmed black people immediately for minor infractions (like not signaling to change lanes or selling cigarettes) and nothing happens to them, but a white guy is threatening to shoot a guy and instead of immediately lighting the guy up, they diffuse the situation (you know, their jobs); that's white privilege.

When you're black and speak articulately, dress well, listen to any music that isn't rap, etc. and people say you "act white"; that's white privilege (completely normal things have been standardized to be "white").

White privilege isn't "black people can't ever get succeed in life because white people". White privilege simply means white people have advantages (explicitly or implicitly) merely for being white.