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FloatingWaffles said:
WC4Life said:


The bolded part.....finish

SFV was not in development.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ono-says-no-budget-for-street-fighter-v/1100-6411507/

The only way what you are saying is true if Yoshinori Ono would have been publicly spreading lies.

 

I must say you have pretty wide net to clump together different circumstances.


That article was from July of 2013. Also you seem to be mistaking that he might not have had the budget or team THEN, he never said they would never have the budget unless you are just reading things that are not there. As I said before, do you think Capcom is just going to leave Street Fighter? The game would have eventually started development anyway, the only thing Sony DID was get it out sooner than that by funding it themselves.  I don't know why you are having such a hard time grasping this. 

They are the same situation, once again whether you wanna agree or not. 

 Make as many assumptions as you want. The evidence provided by the other posters is clear.

It is not the same, whether you wanna agree or not.



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FloatingWaffles said:


That article was from July of 2013. Also you seem to be mistaking that he might not have had the budget or team THEN, he never said they would never have the budget unless you are just reading things that are not there. As I said before, do you think Capcom is just going to leave Street Fighter? The game would have eventually started development anyway, the only thing Sony DID was get it out sooner than that by funding it themselves.  I don't know why you are having such a hard time grasping this. 

They are the same situation, once again whether you wanna agree or not. 


If you don't have budget NOW it is not 100% you are going to get budget in the future. Capcom could go under in the next 5 years. Of course there is always possibility, like there is possibility for MS to make Halo multiplatform. Nobody can argue against infinite possibilities. But if we come down to earth and look at the situation, possibilities were limited for Capcom. There is a timeline beginning from that link I posted, from that time to Playstation Experience reveal of SFV and looking at that timeline it makes sense Sony was on board pretty much from the start. I don't think it's worth posting since nothing will counter your wild guess "SFV would have started development anyway". You are saying everything that did not happen would have happened eventually, I do not believe things go like that in the real world.



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naruball said:

 

FloatingWaffles said:
WC4Life said:


The bolded part.....finish

SFV was not in development.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ono-says-no-budget-for-street-fighter-v/1100-6411507/

The only way what you are saying is true if Yoshinori Ono would have been publicly spreading lies.

 

I must say you have pretty wide net to clump together different circumstances.


That article was from July of 2013. Also you seem to be mistaking that he might not have had the budget or team THEN, he never said they would never have the budget unless you are just reading things that are not there. As I said before, do you think Capcom is just going to leave Street Fighter? The game would have eventually started development anyway, the only thing Sony DID was get it out sooner than that by funding it themselves.  I don't know why you are having such a hard time grasping this. 

They are the same situation, once again whether you wanna agree or not. 

 Make as many assumptions as you want. The evidence provided by the other posters is clear.

It is not the same, whether you wanna agree or not.

Evidence? There was one article posted back in 2013 and that was not definite. Posters? I was only talking about this with one other poster.

You obviously haven't even read what has beeen said based on your comment, but i'm sure no matter how much I say or try to show that goes against this you won't change your view on it anyway so I won't bother. 

They are the same but we can both just agree to disagree then. 



FloatingWaffles said:
naruball said:

 

FloatingWaffles said:
WC4Life said:


The bolded part.....finish

SFV was not in development.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ono-says-no-budget-for-street-fighter-v/1100-6411507/

The only way what you are saying is true if Yoshinori Ono would have been publicly spreading lies.

 

I must say you have pretty wide net to clump together different circumstances.


That article was from July of 2013. Also you seem to be mistaking that he might not have had the budget or team THEN, he never said they would never have the budget unless you are just reading things that are not there. As I said before, do you think Capcom is just going to leave Street Fighter? The game would have eventually started development anyway, the only thing Sony DID was get it out sooner than that by funding it themselves.  I don't know why you are having such a hard time grasping this. 

They are the same situation, once again whether you wanna agree or not. 

 Make as many assumptions as you want. The evidence provided by the other posters is clear.

It is not the same, whether you wanna agree or not.

Evidence? There was one article posted back in 2013 and that was not definite. Posters? I was only talking about this with one other poster.

You obviously haven't even read what has beeen said based on your comment, but i'm sure no matter how much I show that goes against this you won't change your view on it anyway so I won't bother. 

They are the same but we can both just agree to disagree then. 


Please link your evidence.



BMaker11 said:
Sharpryno said:


It was announced as "coming exclusive to xbox holiday 2015".  MS does not have to make it clear, they are the publisher.  They control when things get announced.  

How come Sony did not straight up tell us about having Destiny DLC for a year?   Because they do the same damn thing, They let us sit on rumors for a month or so.   Get over it.   

These are reasons the PCMR laugh at console only gamers.  Dudes just argue over lame stuff.

Nope.

Reveal, with no platform mentioned, just a release window of "holiday 2015": http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-coming-holiday-2015/1100-6420224/. Obviously, since it was at the XBOne conference, it was assumed that it'd be on that platform. But it was never stated as "coming exclusively"

Gamescom, it's now an XBOne exclusive: http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/741687-gamescom-2014-rise-tomb-raider-xbox-one-exclusive

Then, in the immediate aftermath, CD explains that it's coming holiday 2015 "exclusively on Xbox", so, it now includes the 360: http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update. And don't try and flip the words around because the semantics are important here. "Coming holiday 2015 exclusively to Xbox" and "Coming exclusively to Xbox holiday 2015" are different. The former, which is what they actually said, implies Xbox exclusivity with the game  and it's just releasing during the holiday. The latter, which they didn't say, implies exclusivity for the holiday period. 

Then, they announced "the deal has a duration", the day after Gamescom: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-13-microsoft-confirms-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-exclusivity-deal-has-a-duration

They didn't have to make it clear when the the exclusivity would end, but they did have to make it clear that it would end, and they did everything in their power to avoid doing it.

As far as Destiny have 1 year exclusive content, well: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Destiny-PS4-PS3-DLC-Exclusive-One-Year-64791.html. That became common knowledge from the jump. So it's not the same. There was nothing to be "rumored" about.

 

You're awful defensive of things that the quite clearly happened. It's not like I'm distorting facts or something. Everything is pretty obvious. I mean, RotTR was a pretty big issue this time last year.

 

So they showed it at E3 with no talks of exclusivity.  Then what? A month or two later at Gamescom the trailer says "coming exclusively to Xbox, holiday 2015". I literally stated they let us sit on rumors for a month or so, just like what Sony did.  

I truly do not care about the timeline of so called "facts" like you do. 

What is your point?  Not once did MS lie.  Its as if you think they are evil for not giving every detail of everything they announce as soon as possible. 

 

It was a big issue because MS did it.  If it was Sony who got the deal the majority of people on this site would not have cared.  But because MS did it, its reveresed.  Massive double standard goes on between MS and Sony.  And it really is pathetic. 



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“We’re about growing our IP, this is a long-term decision."

You see this is the kind of PR spin that makes gamers lose trust in the gaming industry... but on the other hand i dont think they could have said "We need dollars!!!". It's sad, it's seems to me that SE is short of cash (just like at the Hitman game they are making)... They expected TR to sell a lot of copies and even after 4m they were complaining it wasn't a success (after a very short period of time).

Personally I think this will do more damage than good to the actual brand, *But* I am also convinced they probably had no choice because they needed the dev cash more. So on one hand I am not happy, on the other they have to do what they have to do, but as a PS4 user I think it stinks :)

It will definitely damage the brand and as the PS3/PS4 versions sold a lot, I hope they got a lot of cash for it because otherwise it could end up being a disaster.

So my question now is that as Phil said, it's the same kind of deal as Ryse and DR3... when is Dead Rising 3 coming to PS4 :) - I want that game!!!



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

As long as the game is good, all is well. It'll come to the three (four) platforms it would've come to regardless, and they get MS' help and money to make the game as good as it can be. Sure, PS4 owners that want it will have to wait another year, but there's plenty to play in the meantime, so I don't see any reason to complain.



Teeqoz said:
As long as the game is good, all is well. It'll come to the three (four) platforms it would've come to regardless, and they get MS' help and money to make the game as good as it can be. Sure, PS4 owners that want it will have to wait another year, but there's plenty to play in the meantime, so I don't see any reason to complain.

The reason to complain is that a game people have supported (and remember Sony players have supported the last TR game more than XBox users)... now have to wait 1 year to get the next game.

It's not a way to reward your loyal userbase :)



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Madword said:
Teeqoz said:
As long as the game is good, all is well. It'll come to the three (four) platforms it would've come to regardless, and they get MS' help and money to make the game as good as it can be. Sure, PS4 owners that want it will have to wait another year, but there's plenty to play in the meantime, so I don't see any reason to complain.

The reason to complain is that a game people have supported (and remember Sony players have supported the last TR game more than XBox users)... now have to wait 1 year to get the next game.

It's not a way to reward your loyal userbase :)


Can you not wait the year? You've already waited one year since the reveal. Besides, the game will likely be better thanks to Microsoft funding, surely a better game is a good thing?



BMaker11 said:
Nicklesbe said:

It was never exclusive. Ever. It was made perfectly clear, despite many people's innocent and others intentional misunderstanding of the original announcement. It was made clear it was only ever going to be timed. Which was confirmed and reconfirmed for months from Xbox and SE representatives over twitter and in interviews. There has never been any doubt among most gamers who watched it with clear eyes that it would eventually be on Ps4. Many hoped and insisted that it wouldn't despite the overwhelming evidence and confirmations at the time from both SE and Xbox representatives. This was not a decision that was made later down the line. This was a decision that was made and known from the start. MS paid for a head start and for them to keep quiet as much as possible without flat out lying to consumers about that head start. I'm glad to see this finally confirms that. Thanks for sharing it.

This is absolutely false in ever sense of the word. I'll have to edit in links later, since I'm on mobile, but the initial reveal had no platform mentioned. It was just announced at the XBOne E3 conference. No mentioning of a platform typically means multiplatform. 

Well, come Gamescom, it's was announced as an XBOne exclusive. After fan outrage (this was Tomb Raider, after all. A franchise more close associated with PS and PC), it was clarified as an "Xbox exclusive". That meant XBOne and XB360. Then, it came out that it was "holiday exclusive". Then finally "the deal has a duration". 

You can look up the timeline yourself; I'll add links later. But at no point was MS "perfectly clear" about the situation. If you you really believe that they made it clear from the beginning that it was only ever gonna be timed, then you've got some revisionist history going on. 


No it's not false. When it was first announced at e3 there was no mention of any kind of exclusivity. http://www.polygon.com/e3-2014/2014/6/9/5793636/rise-of-the-tomb-raider Not even in the reveal, no consoles were shown. It was simply shown with microsfot. Gamescom was the first time exclusivity was mentioned and it was "Coming Holiday 2015 exclusively on Xbox" http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/08/12/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-one-exclusive-announcement-gamescom-2014. With how it was worded many understood it would only be exclusive during that holiday. This tho very clear to many sparked confusion which led to numerous clarifications from crystal making it clear it would be coming to playstation. http://gamerant.com/rise-tomb-raider-exclusive-confusion-crystal-dynamics-explain/ During gamescom it was widely reported and accepted by most that it was timed. From Aug 13 http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/13/gamescom-2014-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-is-a-timed-exclusive-on-xbox http://www.usgamer.net/articles/microsoftgamescom-2014-rise-of-the-paid-exclusive

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-13-microsoft-confirms-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-exclusivity-deal-has-a-duration Phil spencer immediatly made it clear during gamecom to eruogamer that it was a timed exclusive. 

 

So I followed the timeline and it is thus: e3 2014 MS shows off ROTR, no mention of exclusivity, no consoles not even MS shown in trailer.-> Aug 12 2014 gamescom it's announced that it will be exlusive for the 2015 holiday. A few hours later Phil spencer tells eurogamer It's a timed exclusive. -> Same day Aug 12 Crystal Dynamics makes a tumblr post confirming the franchise will be coming to other consoles but will be on Xb1 first http://www.pcgamer.com/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-will-release-exclusively-on-xbox/ ->  following weeks numerous  tweets and interviews with Phil and crystal, again make it clear what many already knew during the  gamescom announcement, that it was only a holiday exclusive and would be coming to playstation.



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