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Aura7541 on 24 July 2015
Aerys said:
the-pi-guy said:

And that's for a game that came out on both platforms at the same time.  

The gap would be much larger if there was a delay.  

And most of all, the gap in install base wasnt that large when FF Type 0 released, only 9M more than X1, still 1:7 in PS4 favor, so what will be the ratio when there will be 30M more of PS4 ?

Not to mention, Type-0 is eventually coming to PC which begs the question what would the PS4:XBO Type-0 split be had the PC version been released simultaneously? This also piques the question of how much of the XBO Type-0 buyers also own a PC?



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Fei-Hung on 24 July 2015

I think MS have a better relationship with CD and Sony with SE. That I think is what has led to decisions being made



gooch_destroyer on 24 July 2015
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
Ff7 remake will come to the xbox one and if people use common sense, they know it will as well. Also for ppl saying cause sony is helping with the funding to ff7 remake that it wont ever come to xbox one is delusional to say the least. Why, simple . Because ms helped fund rottr and its coming to ps4 holiday 2016. This situation is no different as well, also there is a rpg fanbase on xbox platform , yes a rpg will always sell more on a playstation system since its a noted genre for that system.
But for all the negativity towards a platform not getting a game , because u dont think the other platform deserves it is just plain childish.


It'll come to the PS4 and PC. 



Aerys on 24 July 2015

It will be really interesting to see FF XV sales, cant wait for February/March 2016

Looking at FF Type 0 sales and FF XIII sales on X360 while it has a big exclusive marketing + large domination in US ( where FF sells the most in the west) + equal install base and still doing not even half of what PS3 did in the west ( and even less for XIII 2 ) , even in US it did less with a huge advantage so...
I can bet X1 owners interesting in jRPG are a small minority ( which is logical since every person interested in jrpg would own a PS4) so i dont see FFXV selling more than 500k on One ( and sales of recent big RPG shows i will be right, The Witcher 3, even with an exclusive marketing , being a bigger western RPG than FF, is struggling to even reach 800k... So i cant imagine the score FF XV will do on X1 without exclusive marketing and being a jrpg, 500k is really the best it could do i think)



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Aura7541 on 24 July 2015
Fei-Hung said:
I think MS have a better relationship with CD and Sony with SE. That I think is what has led to decisions being made

The ROTR deal was done prior to the start this gen, so MS had way more leverage at that time. And then, this gen happened and the publishers did not expect the outcome at all.



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IamAwsome on 24 July 2015

I do understand the "It won't sell on XB1" argument, but in the end...... it's FF7. The game is definitetly noteworthy enough to have an audience on XB1 regardless of how a fairly niche HD port sold. If Kingdom Hearts 3 is coming to XB1 having never released on an Xbox console before, then I don't see why this remake wouldn't come either. 

Someone on GAF said this was another SF5 situation with Sony funding the game, but if that were true then why would Sony be shy about that fact? They came right out and said that SF5 would never release on XB1. If they were funding this remake then what's stopping them from telling us what everyone's assuming?

The "Play it first on..." wording is suspicious as well. Why point that out if it's never coming to the other console? The wording isn't really necessary if it's only coming to PC. 



Aerys on 24 July 2015
IamAwsome said:

I do understand the "It won't sell on XB1" argument, but in the end...... it's FF7. The game is definitetly noteworthy enough to have an audience on XB1 regardless of how a fairly niche HD port sold. If Kingdom Hearts 3 is coming to XB1 having never released on an Xbox console before, then I don't see why this remake wouldn't come either. 

Someone on GAF said this was another SF5 situation with Sony funding the game, but if that were true then why would Sony be shy about that fact? They came right out and said that SF5 would never release on XB1. If they were funding this remake then what's stopping them from telling us what everyone's assuming?

The "Play it first on..." wording is suspicious as well. Why point that out if it's never coming to the other console? The wording isn't really necessary if it's only coming to PC. 


You dont analyse things with perspective.

 

KH 3 has been announced at the beginning of the generation, do you really think if they had announced it now, in 2015, they would announce it on X1 ? Certainly not, they announced it because they didnt know, a lot thought X1 would win the generation, US was not even a question, then everything changed.


And i'm not sure FF VII R has a best seller potential than FF XV on X1, why would Xbox player would wait for a game they never played ? If they played it, then they are mostly PS gamers, if you love RPG you are on PS, so yes, most would think, including SE, that X1 gamers are not interested ( they would have ported FF VII to X1 if they thought the opposite)


I think FF XV will be the real test for them to see who loves Jrpg on X1


World Of Final Fantasy also has " Play first " wording though, so.... I think the decision is up to Square Enix, so wait for FF XV release to get an answer



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

LMU Uncle Alfred on 24 July 2015
Aura7541 said:

In Nomura's interview with Famitsu regarding FFVII, he said that the platforms after the PS4 are still undecided. So Sony and SE are still discussing the terms for the deal.

PC is obvious. XBO is really unlikely because of several factors. FF Type-0 gave us a snapshot of the JRPG fanbase split in the US/UK & worldwide. It turned out to be 4 to 1 and 9 to 1, respectively, both favoring the PS4. Because Type-0 contained the FFXV demo, it also caused a ripple effect on FFXV preorders. One Best Buy store Abdiel checked had 300 preorders for the PS4 version vs. only 10 for the XBO version. Kagari also pointed out that the XBO version of Type-0 sold below Microsoft's minimum print order in the US, which is not.... good.

Also, the JRPG market isn't static. The JRPG fanbase split now will not be the same 2-3 years later. It's going to skew even further into PS4's favor because it is getting several JRPGs the XBO will not have. Dragon Quest Heroes I & II, Sword Art Online: Lost Song, Disgaea 5, Nier 2, Star Ocean 5, Yoru no nai Kuni, Hyperdimension V.II, Ys, God Eater, the list goes on and on. I do not see as much Japanese support on the XBO. In fact, what else does it have other than KHIII and FFXV?

I often hear people use the sales performance of the 360 version of FFXIII as a counterargument. However, there are three flaws in this argument. (1) The XBO is not the 360. The 360 had a lot of JRPG support early in its lifecycle whereas we don't see that with the XBO; (2) Microsoft had marketing rights to FFXIII and even launched a FFXIII Special Edition bundle; and (3) FFXIII launched on PS3 & 360 simultaneously. FFVII will come out on the PS4 first. The sales potential of a hypothetical XBO version will be greatly diminished.

Is an XBO version possible? Yes. However, if I have to put money down and can't flake out, I will have to bet on the XBO version not happening.

More than that, the  sequels to FFXIII sold significantly less on the 360(higher consumer dissatisfaction) than on the PS3 .  Type 0 also showed a large skew in favor of the PS4.  The X1 version of Type 0 has only sold 1/6 of the PS4's total so far.



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Blob on 24 July 2015

Type 0 is a psp game nobody had heard about that was sold for full price, it's a terrible gauge for interest towards final fantasy on the xbox . Ff7 is one of the biggest games of all time. I don't see why square would skip the xbox one, ff7 would still sell enough to be viable.



Aerys on 25 July 2015
the-pi-guy said:
Blob said:
Type 0 is a psp game nobody had heard about that was sold for full price, it's a terrible gauge for interest towards final fantasy on the xbox . Ff7 is one of the biggest games of all time. I don't see why square would skip the xbox one, ff7 would still sell enough to be viable.

No one has been talking about Xbox One sales of Type 0.  It's been the difference between the 2.  

I'd agree with that if everyone was saying something like "Xbox One version only sold 15k."

But they're not, everyone is talking about the difference between that and the PS4 version.  "The ratio is 7 to 1 worldwide."  That ratio is huge, and by the time the game releases, it'll likely be an even bigger ratio.  Maybe 10 to 1, maybe worse.  It all depends on, how well both systems are doing, and which market is buying them.  If people start buying PS4 for the JRPGs, then that ratio could be 12 to 1, or even worse.  (And to be honest, I'm not even including how bad the ratio could be if Xbox One gets launched later.)

Let's say 6 million copies get sold on the PS4, and 500k on the Xbox One.  It's supposed to be like 27$ per copy, is what I've often heard.  

That's $13.5 million brought in.  Then you add in development costs for that.  Maybe let's say 13 million still, that's something Sony can easily pay away to keep exclusive.  

Not sure what they would earn on X1 would be enough to cover the dev of X1 version and the publishing ( unless microsoft accepts to pay for it )



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m