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outlawauron on 09 July 2015
Teeqoz said:
WrathofTank said:

No one should be at 0% tax rate imo.  If everyone paid taxes even if only a small amount, we wouldn't have this ridiculous amount of national debt.  

Well yes, I agree, no one should be able to attain 0%, but I only said rich people as those are the ones that are able to do that anyway.

Teeqoz, for a bright kid, you really don't know what you're talking about here. Low income earners pay no taxes. The people making minimum wage and just above pay zero federal taxes and it's been that way for years. Even when I was making $10/hour in 2011, I paid no federal taxes.

The only rich people are able to pay reduced taxes is by making tax deducition expenditures. This how charitable giving is incentivized.



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mr9865 on 09 July 2015
Brii said:

At my job, I work 50 hour weeks on average, 60+ during crunch time. Since I'm salary, the amount of money I earn during those 60 hour weeks is the same as the 50 hour weeks. I haven't taken a vacation since February.

Meanwhile, in our German office, they are require to NOT exceed 40 hours a week, and they get the equivalent of 3 months vacation, as well as a ton of bank holidays. I swear, every time I need to talk to the ops guy in the German office, he's on a week long vacation.

Screw this guy and his warped notion that working longer hours = more productivity = more pay. From my understanding, research actually implies the opposite. Your productivity plummets when you exceed 40 hours and the diminishing returns don't make it worth it. But, hey, we're just salary, so it's not like the company has to foot the bill for the extra hours that are of low productivity. It's just gravy for them.

Hopefully this gets passed so salaried workers can not be abused like that any more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/29/president-obama-raises-the-overtime-salary-threshold-reestablishing-a-key-labor-standard/



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pokoko on 09 July 2015

It's pretty simple to see how the system is messed up. People on salary are overworked while many companies are looking to set hourly workers up as part-time.

With retail, for example, which is a huge part of the work-force, there is almost no reason not to chop up your hours into chunks and hire more part-time workers as opposed to less full-time workers. The system is geared to encourage this.

Maybe that's what he meant to address, I don't know, but he certainly did himself no favors with what he actually said.



Teeqoz on 09 July 2015
outlawauron said:
Teeqoz said:

Well yes, I agree, no one should be able to attain 0%, but I only said rich people as those are the ones that are able to do that anyway.

Teeqoz, for a bright kid, you really don't know what you're talking about here. Low income earners pay no taxes. The people making minimum wage and just above pay zero federal taxes and it's been that way for years. Even when I was making $10/hour in 2011, I paid no federal taxes.

The only rich people are able to pay reduced taxes is by making tax deducition expenditures. This how charitable giving is incentivized.


That is a rather different scenario as many of those people barely if at all get ends to meet, but yes, in that sense, rich people aren't the only people who can attain a 0% tax rate.

 

While I don't know all too much about the US tax system, I know that in Norway the top tax rate is substantially higher than the top tax rate in the US. Although of course, tax rates in general are higher here than in the US. But I'd love for you to explain more back in chat



SamuelRSmith on 09 July 2015
Teeqoz said:


That is a rather different scenario as many of those people barely if at all get ends to meet, but yes, in that sense, rich people aren't the only people who can attain a 0% tax rate.

While I don't know all too much about the US tax system, I know that in Norway the top tax rate is substantially higher than the top tax rate in the US. Although of course, tax rates in general are higher here than in the US. But I'd love for you to explain more back in chat


I believe it's something like the bottom 47% of American income earners pay nothing, the bottom 20-odd% receive money. The "1%" pays around half of the total income tax pie.



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Arlo on 09 July 2015

It's a joke, right? Yeah, it's definitely a joke.

*leaves before anyone can say anything about it*



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Teeqoz on 09 July 2015
SamuelRSmith said:
Teeqoz said:


That is a rather different scenario as many of those people barely if at all get ends to meet, but yes, in that sense, rich people aren't the only people who can attain a 0% tax rate.

While I don't know all too much about the US tax system, I know that in Norway the top tax rate is substantially higher than the top tax rate in the US. Although of course, tax rates in general are higher here than in the US. But I'd love for you to explain more back in chat


I believe it's something like the bottom 47% of American income earners pay nothing, the bottom 20-odd% receive money. The "1%" pays around half of the total income tax pie.

 

Wikipedia says the top 1%, which make 19.3% of the money made pay 24.2% of the total taxes paid. So a quarter of the total tax pie. But considering how much money they make, it would be fair if they paid something around 32-35% of the total tax pie.



paleselan on 09 July 2015

He makes mistakes, then the campaign tries to correct his errors. Jeb Bush also said that the war in Iraq was a good idea.

Seriously, people complain about the democrats, but if anyone votes for the Republicans (unless they make $1 million +), they're voting against their own interests.



Farsala on 09 July 2015

I vvorked a "40" hour job for a year. But all of it vvas based on production, did 40 most vveeks vvith often 3 10 hr days and 6 and 4 the others for no reason. I considered the 10 hour days as overtime as I did nothing those days but vvork... but didn't get the pay. Overtime vveeks vvould be 50-60 hours vvhich included some saturdays. Often they told us that vve vvould have to vvork saturday if vve did not meet a goal and most employees vvould be fooled into vvorking harder and then vve get out early on friday...

Still I got respect for the managers doing 60 regularly but since it salary just get 40.

 

No vvay I or anyone there vvant more hours.



sethnintendo on 09 July 2015

Wages are stagnant since the 80s (except CEOs thanks to stock options). We have the least amount of holidays of almost any nation (especially private employers; I only get 10 days of holiday pay a year). My PTO accounts for personal time off and sick pay (I don't get any sick days separate). It could be worse though... I could still be contract and get even far less or no PTO and the contract workers at my work have to work a full year to even get paid for holidays. Basically, I need a better job.