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I'd like to find out... hopefully nintendo will try that next gen.



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padib said:
Aeolus451 said:

Handhelds are not considered home consoles by the majority of gamers and gaming world. You took what I said out of context to suit your opinion. You knew that I was talking about home consoles. So why did you bring up handhelds? What is the title of the thread? Anything about handhelds? What makes you think I was ever talking about handhelds with my original post? 

Next gen that won't even matter because there won't even be such a difference when it comes to Nintendo. It will be one cross-platform family of devices that play mostly the same games.


Is that confirmed 100%? Console and handheld sharing all or most games? Why buy a console if you can play the same game on a handheld? Even if both are sold together in the same package deal, the handheld will hold back the power of the console. Why buy a weak console if the handheld will play the game? Would 3rd party devs work with it or will it be another wii u with no support from 3rd party. How much would a family of devices cost compared to just a console or handheld?

 



Nah, Nintendo has to go from the home console market. These gamers have made up their minds. Sony has established themselves as a brand and so has Microsoft. It's gonna be hard to win them back to Nintendo consoles from this point on. It is sad that it has to be this way but it is what it is. Nintendo should go 3rd party for home consoles only. A stronger Wii U would have sold better than the current Wii U if the GamePad was gone.



padib said:
Aeolus451 said:

Is that confirmed 100%? Console and handheld sharing all or most games? Why buy a console if you can play the same game on a handheld? Even if both are sold together in the same package deal, the handheld will hold back the power of the console. Why buy a weak console if the handheld will play the game? Would 3rd party devs work with it or will it be another wii u with no support from 3rd party. How much would a family of devices cost compared to just a console or handheld?

All but confirmed, honestly all the info we got from Nintendo since 2012 on their next system says it. We haven't seen it with our eyes but they have officially said so. It's a family of brother systems that share an API.

So, the gamer will be buying the game on an account-based system, and then can play it accross a variety of devices, whichever suits that user. Depending on the console played on, certain features will be turned on or off depending on the capability of the console.

In essence, you buy games and choose whatever hardware you want to play them on. It's a good solution that follows the ipad/ipod strategy (a metaphore they also used officially).


I'm not sure that sounds like a successful commercial product. It sounds like something that could destroy Nintendo commercially by damaging their handheld market with a confusing product line. I don't understand a lot of Nintendo's recent decisions and understand this less than the wii u. I realise we haven't seen the full concept yet but there is a lot of underpowered hardware about now. Many tablets provide hugely more power than the old and new 3DS and yet cost a fraction of the price. There is now so much under-powered hardware about I feel nowadays a home console has to justify itself by being reasonably powerful and with a range of exclusive software. Nintendo like selling cheap under-powered hardware at huge profits and this looks like another attempt to find someway of selling rubbish hardware. If there is a handheld system that can run the same software then clearly the home console part is going to be seriously weak even if its got a few extra bells and whistles. 

Nintendo just need to launch a decent home console in the mid-generation position away from Playstation and Xbox launches ensuring it is at least a bit more powerful than those systems so can get a couple of years under its belt as the most powerful system with the best looking games and more importantly Nintendo exclusives. 

At this point I'm thinking Nintendo may have to bow out of home console hardware in the near future and perhaps if they do serious damage to their handheld business perhaps hardware altogether. We shall see how it unfolds but amazing games sell hardware but such software is difficult to create on low performance hardware.



nonsense

they still wud not have third party support and most core gamers and casual core gamers wud not buy WiiU

also the fact that Wii won last gen simply because Sony fucked up with PS3 price and launch and Wii took the lead

also Nintendo and Wii brand are not that big and they had a one-off Wii fad



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padib said:
bonzobanana said:

I'm not sure that sounds like a successful commercial product. It sounds like something that could destroy Nintendo commercially by damaging their handheld market with a confusing product line. I don't understand a lot of Nintendo's recent decisions and understand this less than the wii u. I realise we haven't seen the full concept yet but there is a lot of underpowered hardware about now. Many tablets provide hugely more power than the old and new 3DS and yet cost a fraction of the price. There is now so much under-powered hardware about I feel nowadays a home console has to justify itself by being reasonably powerful and with a range of exclusive software. Nintendo like selling cheap under-powered hardware at huge profits and this looks like another attempt to find someway of selling rubbish hardware. If there is a handheld system that can run the same software then clearly the home console part is going to be seriously weak even if its got a few extra bells and whistles. 

Nintendo just need to launch a decent home console in the mid-generation position away from Playstation and Xbox launches ensuring it is at least a bit more powerful than those systems so can get a couple of years under its belt as the most powerful system with the best looking games and more importantly Nintendo exclusives. 

At this point I'm thinking Nintendo may have to bow out of home console hardware in the near future and perhaps if they do serious damage to their handheld business perhaps hardware altogether. We shall see how it unfolds but amazing games sell hardware but such software is difficult to create on low performance hardware.

On the contrary, the NX is meant to solve that problem by offering more powerful hardware for gamers who want more, and less powerful hardware for gamers who want to pay less. They will have higher loading times, but will pay for a cheaper console. You will basically get what you pay for, which is excellent in my view.

For those who get the premium console, they will get all the graphical advantages which warrant the higher pricepoint.

No doom, no gloom. Just tons of games and tons of options.


Now that you put it that way it sounds a bit more interesting. How many levels of performance are there do you think? is it something like this;

Weak home console / handheld - Tier 1

mid-level home console / high level handheld - Tier 2

high performance console - Tier 3

High performance console with large HDD - Tier 4

Immediately makes you think of PC and I'm sure windows handheld consoles are coming. We already have windows 8 tablets where you can install steam and run your games at very low prices with low settings.

It still has the whiff of failure about it to me and Nintendo pricing is always excessive high.  Also why invest in such a format especially the high end products when Nintendo gets such weak support normally. It may be that NX does well as a handheld but their home console versions sell terribly so what is the incentive for Nintendo to enhance the few games available?

Also if at its heart is a game with a game engine that runs on humble hardware then really all you are going to get is handheld games with upscaled more detailed graphics. This is similar to the wii u situation which can't even match ps3 or 360 for the game engine. If its not cut down on wii u it ends up with lower frame rates. It's only where the game requires low cpu resources does the wii u excel either because its a type of game that doesn't need much cpu power (racing, 2D etc) or the game is written from the ground up for wii u and lowers cpu requirements.

It will be interesting to see what NX really is but I've a feeling at the moment that Nintendo will be exiting the home console business soon and just concentrating on handhelds.



No it still would be the worst selling one.
No body would buy Third-Party games on Wii U even when the Wii U version would be the best one.



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Would've made it even more expensive and lose further sales.