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Xbox Live PC free and console gamers are not happy

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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Puppyroach said:
What is there to be angry about? PC is an open platform where these services almost always are free. I have XBLG because it does give me online on console, doesn't cost much AND give me free games for X1 and 360 every month (thanks to Sony btw :)). So its totally worth it and nothing has really changed since before.


Sony is the reason MS gives you free games, thats not how it was from the start. MS tried to get PC gamers to buy into Xbox Live on PC and failed. Console gamers are going to have to suck it up unless this whole thing blows up. Well then...thats the only way Microsoft would deal with it. Microsoft isn't going to respond to a few gamers, but if the internet blows up like it has the potential to MS will really have to start thinking about what they've been doing.

But I did acknowledge that it was thanks to Sony that we get free games, so what is your point? :)



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oniyide said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yep, I had spoken of such things. The last mistake MS has to make is to put their key exclusives on PC before they piss console gamers off and become completely irrelevant to their cause.

has anyone ever thought thats exactly what they are doing? Maybe they WANT to move back into the console space and this is the perfect transistion


You mean, move out of the console space and back to PC?



tiffac said:
oniyide said:

has anyone ever thought thats exactly what they are doing? Maybe they WANT to move back into the console space and this is the perfect transistion


You mean, move out of the console space and back to PC?


Yes



dane007 said:
Squeezol said:

Because Xbox Live is, for a lot of people, a mandatory feature. If you're a gamer and you want to play online on Xbox, you HAVE to pay, and you will.


But its so cheap . If a gamer cannot afford live , then they technically can't afford to be gamer. Its like 5 pe rmonth . Thats like 20 cents per day for 30 day lol. I  am sure the people who are complain can afford to leave aside 20 cents.

Whoops, you stole my reply. :P I pretty much agree with this. In any case, this is how I feel too. I can aford Xbox Live, but I don't feel like paying for it.



I think MS is setting themselves up to abandon the console race.

What they did here just now made me more interested in getting their games on PC, than getting an Xbone.



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aLkaLiNE said:
dane007 said:


But its so cheap . If a gamer cannot afford live , then they technically can't afford to be gamer. Its like 5 pe rmonth . Thats like 20 cents per day for 30 day lol. I  am sure the people who are complain can afford to leave aside 20 cents.


It's not about the price. It's just annoying that they force you to pay.  Just because I can afford to pay for something doesn't mean I want to, especially if it feels like it should be free. Stop kidding yourself by pretending like you're ballin on a $60 budget kiddo, anyone who shells out $4-500 on a console can easily afford $60 a year on games/subscriptions.

YOu have to remember that pc has thigns like origin and the very popular steam. If they put a pricewall, it will fail to seam. They have tried with windows gaming and it failed. Whereas with consoles, it was thanks to ms with xbox as it was teh first one to come out with xbox live paywall and proved to be successful. Look at sony, the y followed the footsteps of ms hence why psn is now under the paywall. Two different ecosystem. Thats my point, hence why gamers shoulnt complain. Conosles never had an ecosytem from the start that was like steam. If they had, we would be a different conversation. There are benefits for paying and one of the benefits is more servers, the oney they make can used to get more games and what not.  When ps3 was free, the multiplayer was horrible compared to xbox live with teh 360.



deskpro2k3 said:

I think MS is setting themselves up to abandon the console race.

What they did here just now made me more interested in getting their games on PC, than getting an Xbone.


I don't think its their intention to give their key exclusives that makes their consoles special to PC. If they do, they might as well just leave because word will spread like wildfire.



Well I refuse to pay for Gold on Xbox One/360 anymore then. At this point I might as well just buy a gaming PC. Knew PS4 was the right choice for me. Should of stuck with my first choice, it's usually always right .



Poor Microsoft, this is a lose-lose situation for them. They can't charge PC users because it would just fail, no other service charges money to play online on it's platform. (origin, steam, uplay.)

But making it free for PC users is apparently making console gamer's unhappy and they can't make it free for Xbox users too because that's just too much revenue to throw into the gutter.



LTD: PS4 - 125m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 51m

2020: PS4 - 9m, Switch - 22.5m, XBO - 2.5m, PS5 - 4.5m, XBX - 2.8m

I think the problem is that MS are using the console subs to build and maintain XBOX Live, which they are then going to be giving to the PC users for free. If the PC online service was completely separate no-one would have an issue.

I'm waiting for MS to come out and say the reduction in subs recently was to take the online portion out, as that's the part they are giving to the PC users for free. The remaining subs are for games, console OS and interface updates. Complete BS of course, but hey, people bought in to paying $60 a year without question...

Also, Sony had no choice but to follow MS on subs, as there is no way anyone could compete with the income stream MS had on 360, and this would have been a final gen for them otherwise. There just isn't any way to compete with a giant like MS, who have a revenue stream which lets them sell at a loss whenever, and for as long as they feel like, without adopting some of their practices to stay relevant.

I'm hoping MS are transitioning back to software only, and building up the PC support before exiting the console hardware market. That's where they fit best as a company, and would benefit everyone if all these shady practices of third party exclusives, timed exclusives, marketing deals, exclusive content, simultaneous release delays etc. were stopped.