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Snoorlax on 22 August 2014

In the 90's Rare was perhaps the most succesfull game studios out there. They were blessed by having all the talented devs at the right time and being owned + their games published by Nintendo is what made them all the more succesfull. They were just Rare.

People these days compare Retro Studios (which is overrated) or 2nd party studios to Rare, but the truth is Rare cannot be imitaded thats why they are so Rare.



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Michael-5 on 22 August 2014
StarOcean said:

Isnt Retro supposed to be Nintendo's new RARE?

To be fair, the only RARE game Ive really liked is Goldeneye 007

This, and the game for me was Donkey Kong Country 1 & 2. Plus Retro's DKC's are just as good.



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menx64 on 22 August 2014

Hmm... I bet people forgot what made Rare and afterwards Retro a great studio... Nintendo's help!
Rare was a mess back in the days, Nintendo had to invest a lot to made them what they became, same with Retro.

Furthermore, Intelligent systems, Hal they all make great games.



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MTZehvor on 22 August 2014

Well, the main reason is that Retro hasn't made as many games :p

Between the Metroid Prime series, the DKC games, and the help they did on MK7, I'd say they're on their way. A new IP would be nice, though.



Snoorlax on 22 August 2014
Samus Aran said:

If Rare was still the same company as in the 90s and still second party to Nintendo they wouldn't make as many games as they used to... I'd say Retro is better than Rare, if only they stopped making Donkey Kong games.

Never played a Rare game, but they look like weird collect-a-thons to me.


Uhm... Right, Samus.

Did you know that Rare's GoldenEye 007 inspired pretty much all the console fps games (including Metroid Prime) that came out after it? Its also thanks to Rare that we got the DK Country series which Retro revived and is riding on its popularity these days.



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Snoorlax on 22 August 2014
menx64 said:
Hmm... I bet people forgot what made Rare and afterwards Retro a great studio... Nintendo's help!
Rare was a mess back in the days, Nintendo had to invest a lot to made them what they became, same with Retro.

Furthermore, Intelligent systems, Hal they all make great games.


No, Retro was founded by Nintendo and supported by Miyamoto.

Rare had to prove themelves to Nintendo. They made good games for Nintendo systems like BattleToads before Nintendo even heard about them.It wasnt until they went to Japan and made Nintendo shit their pants with the 3D graphics Rare was capable of.

After buying Rare sure they became more succesfull and perhaps Nintendo helped them improve some skills but it was all Rare that did GoldenEye, DKC, Perfect Dark,Conker and Dinosaur Planet.(SFA)



AZWification on 22 August 2014
NoirSon said:
The biggest hurdle appears to be Nintendo itself.

During the SNES, N64 and early parts of the GC era, Nintendo was a lot more open, experimental and less restrictive with the types of games it let its second party developers work on.

Since, a quarter or about half way through the Wii's life cycle there was a shift that contracted most games Nintendo would put support behind. We are only now seeing Nintendo shift away from that stance in terms of the games it supports but the fact is had Rare stuck around they wouldn't have done nearly as many original games as they did in the N64 era.

Retro could have done more games in the Wii era then Metroid Prime 3 (and technically Trilogy) and Donkey Kong Country Returns, Nintendo just didn't let them pull the trigger on allocating sources to other projects.

Pretty much this! I have a feeling that Retro will only be known as the DK and Metroid studio, which is a shame because they have the potential to do so much more!



                
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XanderXT on 22 August 2014

Because reasons. But Rare will never be there same after the idiots at Microsoft bought them. I mean, they thought they bought FREAKING DONKEY KONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!



rik on 22 August 2014

Didnt it take like 10 people to make goldeneye back in the day. Now it probably takes 200 to make a AAA game



baloofarsan on 22 August 2014
spurgeonryan said:

Not just quality, but quanity as well!

What is the problem?

 

With N64 kind of graphics and ease of development I immediately thought of DS/3DS!

Here you can find quality and quantity but, unfortunately for the developers, maybe not the big cash!

 

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Dementium: The Ward (2007)  Dementium II (2010)

Moon (2009) Moon Chronicles (2014)

ATV: Wild Ride (2011) ATV: Wild Ride 3D (2013)

Face Racers: Photo Finish (2011)

Mutant Mudds (2012) Mutant Mudds 2 (2015)

Planet Crashers (2012)

Bomb Monkey (2012)

Treasurenauts (2014)

Xeodrifter (2015)

 

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An example of DS/3DS developer that emphasize graphics. Also migrating to Wii U. Could become the Hello Games (no man's sky) of Nintendo.

Nano Assault Neo (2012) Nano Assault EX (2013)

FAST Racing League (2011) FAST Racing Neo (2014)

Art of Balance (2010)  Art of Balance TOUCH! (2012)  Art of Balance ( 2014)

Jett Rocket (2010)  Jett Rocket II – The Wrath of Taikai (2013)

Fun! Fun! Minigolf (2008)  Fun! Fun! Minigolf TOUCH! (2012)

Nanostray (2005)  Nanostray 2 (2008)

Zenses Ocean Edition (2008)  Zenses Rainforest Edition (2008)