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menx64 said:
Hmm... I bet people forgot what made Rare and afterwards Retro a great studio... Nintendo's help!
Rare was a mess back in the days, Nintendo had to invest a lot to made them what they became, same with Retro.

Furthermore, Intelligent systems, Hal they all make great games.


No, Retro was founded by Nintendo and supported by Miyamoto.

Rare had to prove themelves to Nintendo. They made good games for Nintendo systems like BattleToads before Nintendo even heard about them.It wasnt until they went to Japan and made Nintendo shit their pants with the 3D graphics Rare was capable of.

After buying Rare sure they became more succesfull and perhaps Nintendo helped them improve some skills but it was all Rare that did GoldenEye, DKC, Perfect Dark,Conker and Dinosaur Planet.(SFA)