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Mr Puggsly on 28 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well a certain religion person/people seems to be keeping a certain part world shitty for a lot of people.

Religion doesn't do anything, its a set of beliefs. Blaming religion for the acts of people is simple naive and simplistic. Its akin to saying that many school shooters are white males so we a certain gender and race is causing a lot of harm to schools.

This is semantics really. I'm referring to the people that follow a set of beliefs.

I don't think white males are shooting up schools because a set of beliefs. That probably has more to do with mental illness, wanting attention, etc.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 28 June 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well a certain religion person/people seems to be keeping a certain part world shitty for a lot of people.

Religion doesn't do anything, its a set of beliefs. Blaming religion for the acts of people is simple naive and simplistic. Its akin to saying that many school shooters are white males so we a certain gender and race is causing a lot of harm to schools.

This is semantics really. I'm referring to the people that follow a set of beliefs.

I don't think white males are shooting up schools because a set of beliefs. That probably has more to do with mental illness, wanting attention, etc.

Regardless blaiming a set of beliefs for the actions of people is the same argument that homophobes made.



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WagnerPaiva on 28 June 2014
Soriku said:
WagnerPaiva said:

There are millions of amazing people in America, is not that the population is luciferean, but the leaders and founding fathers were freemason and the ideology come from the occulty mistery religions, the one dollar bill show the counterfeit Mount Zyon (a pyramid) and the Lucifer eye on top. The high degree freemasonary agree that the great architect of the Universe is th fallen cherub, Lucifer, not God. This is the one the freemasons worship

Jew, fig-tree stuff


First of all I'm not going to analyze this bill. But let's consider a few things:

-This NWO theory presumes that this organization is supposed to be secret and operating behind the scenes. Yet they decide to plaster everything about them literally all over the bill. Why?

-The US isn't the greatest at keeping secrets. Something of this magnitude would likely be leaked out across the hundreds of year since the nation was formed. No such thing has ever happened.

-The NWO has ties to the United Nations (supposedly), yet there are conflicts of ideas the US has had with the UN. So either your idea is bullshit or things have started to break down within the NWO...which is a good thing, right?

On Israel, the Bible puts a big focus on Israel and Israelites. So the people in the past who wrote the Bible probably figured that it would day rise again or whatever. It's not evidence of anything.

And by the way, angels aren't gods and aren't referred so by Christians or the Bible.


The fallen angels are gods, no capital C:

God is in the meeting-place of God; he is judging among the gods.
How long will you go on judging falsely, having respect for the persons of evil-doers? (Selah.)
Give ear to the cause of the poor and the children without fathers; let those who are troubled and in need have their rights.
Be the saviour of the poor and those who have nothing: take them out of the hand of the evil-doers.
They have no knowledge or sense; they go about in the dark: all the bases of the earth are moved.
I said, You are gods; all of you are the sons of the Most High:
But you will come to death like men, falling like one of the rulers of the earth.
Up! O God, come as judge of the earth; for all the nations are your heritage.

Psalms 82:1-8

There are dozens of examples of that: the gods of the bible are the fallen angels, those who floowed Lucifer in the great rebellion against God almight, the creator. One third of the angels did that:

Then will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angels:

Matthews 25:41



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Areym on 28 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:
I don't think it should, even with my strong indifference to all things religions. A lot of good comes from it. Charity work, support groups, strong community relations. It can often be over shadowed by all the hate scandals and child molestation. If only those religions practiced all the good they preach and stop using their archaic fantasy book to oppress other groups (gays, for example)

Still, a connection with god should be a 1 on 1 kind of deal. You don't need a giant mass to feel close to a divinity. Spirituality, i think, is usually a single player kind of game.

Yah, but 99% of those egretions come from people commiting crimes and hiding behind religion. For instance, child molestation or really molestation of any kind is a Sin in the Bible, if a priest is abusing that power then its because he himself is doing bad, if the leader of the church protects him then it makes the religion look bad but again it is just an abuse of power, same thing when a president pardons someone.

Freedom of belief and all that Jazz, basic human rights or whatever

I don't know how anyone can claim that christiians persecute homosexuals for being gay and yet persecute christians for beliving in a religion. Seems kind of hypocritical, and bigotted if you ask me, something that is apparently unique to religion rather than human nature.

Don't shoot the messenger.

GunsReligions don't kill people, people kill people.

Well, the main and I mean main reason people are oppose to gay relationship is because of religious believes. Those christians vote against it and it doesn't pass or older folks in high power, with some rather old beliefs decide for all of us. If it is voted by the people to be against gay marriage, etc then it's fair. Democracy is democracy, but they do not care  about the actual love of that a gay couple has and the significance that marriage can have on a relationship.

Nobody is persecution christians for believing what they do (except for atheist) My only gripe with them is using religion and the bible to justify their own homophobic and scornful thoughts/actions. Granted, you can be opposed to gay rights but not coming from a place of hate. And for the record, its not just christians. Many religions oppose gay marriage so I'm not trying to pick on them.

You want to generalize every religion to christianity, and assume that tolerance isn't a part of them. Stop being ignorant. The Bible says love your neighboor, just because it tells christians to not be homosexual does not mean it tells people to oppose others beleifs and values.

Christinaity is only a type of Religion, not all Religions are Christinanity. For instance, Buddhist don't oppose relationships yet Buddism is a religion.

I can say the main people that joined the Nazi party were germans, doesn't mean all germans are Nazi.

Well, im pretty sure the bible opposess gay relationships. Again, people can do that if they want. My problem is when they use it as the only excuse. Fuck, the bible says not to eat shellfish, but we still do it but when it comes to gay marriage/relations, " oh its an act against god, its a travesty." People are not oppossing it for their own opinions, just because some guy in a robe told them its wrong. Besides, why even oppose? It affects no one but gays themselves. "We have to talk to our children and educate them on sexual orientation? Well fuck that."

I just said, it was not just christinaity. Many other religions oppose it because "the word of god" tell them to. Other ones are more open because it is not their place to judge others. There are many others religions that have no opposition to it. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (leviticus 20:13)

That is pretty fucking direct. If you are gay, you deserve death. That goes against loving your neighbor and there are a lot of different occassions where people are stone to death. Does that sound like the word of god to you or just some irrational, fear morgering dipshit?

Again, this is a large part of the christian given the fact that gay marriage is still illegal in most of the US and the world. They do not want to stone gay people or kill them of course but they are still oppose to the idea just because.



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Mr Puggsly on 28 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Mr Puggsly said:

This is semantics really. I'm referring to the people that follow a set of beliefs.

I don't think white males are shooting up schools because a set of beliefs. That probably has more to do with mental illness, wanting attention, etc.

Regardless blaiming a set of beliefs for the actions of people is the same argument that homophobes made.


I dunno what to tell you, I feel certain sets of beliefs can bring the worst out of people. Whether it be religious or otherwise.

You mention homophobes for example. Homophobes often grew up with a set of beliefs that homosexuality is bad or maybe even evil.



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WagnerPaiva on 28 June 2014
Soriku said:

-This NWO theory presumes that this organization is supposed to be secret and operating behind the scenes. Yet they decide to plaster everything about them literally all over the bill. Why?

-The US isn't the greatest at keeping secrets. Something of this magnitude would likely be leaked out across the hundreds of year since the nation was formed. No such thing has ever happened.

-The NWO has ties to the United Nations (supposedly), yet there are conflicts of ideas the US has had with the UN. So either your idea is bullshit or things have started to break down within the NWO...which is a good thing, right?

On Israel, the Bible puts a big focus on Israel and Israelites. So the people in the past who wrote the Bible probably figured that it would day rise again or whatever. It's not evidence of anything.

And by the way, angels aren't gods and aren't referred so by Christians or the Bible.

On the NWO, Helena Blavatisk and the LUCIUS TRUST is a big part of the U.N. rise, the U.N. itself is all part of the fallen cherub plan, it is the tool to unite the world.

And, this is really a chess match, or a war between God and lucifer: Lucifer moves, God counter his deeds. The thing for us christians is that God is the ultimate truth, He cannot lie, so, lucifer plan is to make some of His promisses lies, if only one thing God said is a lie, satan wins.

That is why lucifer hates te jews so much, they are God´s heir, all of us Jesus believers are also hated, but the true jews are the main focus.

However, it is just faith, it is everything to me, but I realize it sounds crazy to you.

But, do not think that I say something that I invented, all of the Bible, that is what I believe.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 28 June 2014
Areym said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:

Well, the main and I mean main reason people are oppose to gay relationship is because of religious believes. Those christians vote against it and it doesn't pass or older folks in high power, with some rather old beliefs decide for all of us. If it is voted by the people to be against gay marriage, etc then it's fair. Democracy is democracy, but they do not care  about the actual love of that a gay couple has and the significance that marriage can have on a relationship.

Nobody is persecution christians for believing what they do (except for atheist) My only gripe with them is using religion and the bible to justify their own homophobic and scornful thoughts/actions. Granted, you can be opposed to gay rights but not coming from a place of hate. And for the record, its not just christians. Many religions oppose gay marriage so I'm not trying to pick on them.

You want to generalize every religion to christianity, and assume that tolerance isn't a part of them. Stop being ignorant. The Bible says love your neighboor, just because it tells christians to not be homosexual does not mean it tells people to oppose others beleifs and values.

Christinaity is only a type of Religion, not all Religions are Christinanity. For instance, Buddhist don't oppose relationships yet Buddism is a religion.

I can say the main people that joined the Nazi party were germans, doesn't mean all germans are Nazi.

Well, im pretty sure the bible opposess gay relationships. Again, people can do that if they want. My problem is when they use it as the only excuse. Fuck, the bible says not to eat shellfish, but we still do it but when it comes to gay marriage/relations, " oh its an act against god, its a travesty." People are not oppossing it for their own opinions, just because some guy in a robe told them its wrong. Besides, why even oppose? It affects no one but gays themselves. "We have to talk to our children and educate them on sexual orientation? Well fuck that."

I just said, it was not just christinaity. Many other religions oppose it because "the word of god" tell them to. Other ones are more open because it is not their place to judge others. There are many others religions that have no opposition to it. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (leviticus 20:13)

That is pretty fucking direct. If you are gay, you deserve death. That goes against loving your neighbor and there are a lot of different occassions where people are stone to death. Does that sound like the word of god to you or just some irrational, fear morgering dipshit?

Again, this is a large part of the christian given the fact that gay marriage is still illegal in most of the US and the world. They do not want to stone gay people or kill them of course but they are still oppose to the idea just because.

Leviticus is old testament, its irellevant. The commandments also superceded a that line. If you actually took the time to research further you would know that. Then you say many other religions oppose it because "the word of god", when theism consists of a variety of different beleif systems. It sounds like you're being pretty ignorant.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

WagnerPaiva on 28 June 2014
Areym said:

Well, im pretty sure the bible opposess gay relationships. Again, people can do that if they want. My problem is when they use it as the only excuse. Fuck, the bible says not to eat shellfish, but we still do it but when it comes to gay marriage/relations, " oh its an act against god, its a travesty." People are not oppossing it for their own opinions, just because some guy in a robe told them its wrong. Besides, why even oppose? It affects no one but gays themselves. "We have to talk to our children and educate them on sexual orientation? Well fuck that."

I just said, it was not just christinaity. Many other religions oppose it because "the word of god" tell them to. Other ones are more open because it is not their place to judge others. There are many others religions that have no opposition to it. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (leviticus 20:13)

That is pretty fucking direct. If you are gay, you deserve death. That goes against loving your neighbor and there are a lot of different occassions where people are stone to death. Does that sound like the word of god to you or just some irrational, fear morgering dipshit?

Again, this is a large part of the christian given the fact that gay marriage is still illegal in most of the US and the world. They do not want to stone gay people or kill them of course but they are still oppose to the idea just because.

God do not hate gays, but He does hate homossexuality, as it is an abomination of His creation. He does not hate more than the creation of animal hybrids for example, also an abomination of what He created, but it is a sin.

The evil know that, that is why they worked so hard to make Israel the gay capitol of the world, to humiliate God: His nation is now the Capitol of the abomination of his creation.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 28 June 2014
Mr Puggsly said:

I dunno what to tell you, I feel certain sets of beliefs can bring the worst out of people. Whether it be religious or otherwise.

You mention homophobes for example. Homophobes often grew up with a set of beliefs that homosexuality is bad or maybe even evil.

Assuming people have the free will to accept what ever values they want to believe, then that's simply incorrect and naive. Doesn't matter what you "feel".

Point is people are responsible for their own actions.



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Areym on 28 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Areym said:
I don't think it should, even with my strong indifference to all things religions. A lot of good comes from it. Charity work, support groups, strong community relations. It can often be over shadowed by all the hate scandals and child molestation. If only those religions practiced all the good they preach and stop using their archaic fantasy book to oppress other groups (gays, for example)

Still, a connection with god should be a 1 on 1 kind of deal. You don't need a giant mass to feel close to a divinity. Spirituality, i think, is usually a single player kind of game.

Yah, but 99% of those egretions come from people commiting crimes and hiding behind religion. For instance, child molestation or really molestation of any kind is a Sin in the Bible, if a priest is abusing that power then its because he himself is doing bad, if the leader of the church protects him then it makes the religion look bad but again it is just an abuse of power, same thing when a president pardons someone.

Freedom of belief and all that Jazz, basic human rights or whatever

I don't know how anyone can claim that christiians persecute homosexuals for being gay and yet persecute christians for beliving in a religion. Seems kind of hypocritical, and bigotted if you ask me, something that is apparently unique to religion rather than human nature.

Don't shoot the messenger.

GunsReligions don't kill people, people kill people.

Well, the main and I mean main reason people are oppose to gay relationship is because of religious believes. Those christians vote against it and it doesn't pass or older folks in high power, with some rather old beliefs decide for all of us. If it is voted by the people to be against gay marriage, etc then it's fair. Democracy is democracy, but they do not care  about the actual love of that a gay couple has and the significance that marriage can have on a relationship.

Nobody is persecution christians for believing what they do (except for atheist) My only gripe with them is using religion and the bible to justify their own homophobic and scornful thoughts/actions. Granted, you can be opposed to gay rights but not coming from a place of hate. And for the record, its not just christians. Many religions oppose gay marriage so I'm not trying to pick on them.

You want to generalize every religion to christianity, and assume that tolerance isn't a part of them. Stop being ignorant. The Bible says love your neighboor, just because it tells christians to not be homosexual does not mean it tells people to oppose others beleifs and values.

Christinaity is only a type of Religion, not all Religions are Christinanity. For instance, Buddhist don't oppose relationships yet Buddism is a religion.

I can say the main people that joined the Nazi party were germans, doesn't mean all germans are Nazi.

Well, im pretty sure the bible opposess gay relationships. Again, people can do that if they want. My problem is when they use it as the only excuse. Fuck, the bible says not to eat shellfish, but we still do it but when it comes to gay marriage/relations, " oh its an act against god, its a travesty." People are not oppossing it for their own opinions, just because some guy in a robe told them its wrong. Besides, why even oppose? It affects no one but gays themselves. "We have to talk to our children and educate them on sexual orientation? Well fuck that."

I just said, it was not just christinaity. Many other religions oppose it because "the word of god" tell them to. Other ones are more open because it is not their place to judge others. There are many others religions that have no opposition to it. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (leviticus 20:13)

That is pretty fucking direct. If you are gay, you deserve death. That goes against loving your neighbor and there are a lot of different occassions where people are stone to death. Does that sound like the word of god to you or just some irrational, fear morgering dipshit?

Again, this is a large part of the christian given the fact that gay marriage is still illegal in most of the US and the world. They do not want to stone gay people or kill them of course but they are still oppose to the idea just because.

Leviticus is old testament, its irellevant. The commandments also superceded a that line. If you actually took the time to research further you would know that. Then you say many other religions oppose it because "the word of god", when theism consists of a variety of different beleif systems. It sounds like you're being pretty ignorant.

Well, i'm glad you are free to pick and choose what is right or wrong from the word of god. These books might as well be goodie bags. and yeah, I am ignorant about religions, I don't mind. I'm glad my parents gave me the choice to choose my believes once i got old enough unlike brainwashing me into believing what some archaic book told me to. I will continue to be ignorant on religionsand a decent human being, by societies standards. I don't need anybody telling me what should be common knowledge to everyone. Treat your neighbor right, don't judge, respect others different than you. Maybe these religions should work on presenting themselves in a more positive way, instead of inteferring with things that does not concern them. Good day, sir.



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