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Kaizar said:
Michael-5 said:

You know what?

Americans clearly think differently then Canadians. I've seen you, and other Americans complain about laws designed to improve human health and safetly because "It infringes on your freedom." You know what? You're not free when you live in a capitalist society where corporate CEO's have little to no responsibility for the health and safety of their customers. Plus the government also has to be responsible for human safety and health.

Large Soda Ban - Great Idea! Someone needs to realize that selling drinks larger then the human stomach is an infringement on your right to health

55MPG Car average by 2016 - Another great idea! Again, trucks and SUV's return more profit then cars do, but they have a terrible consequence on the environment. This is a much better way to help reduce emissions then by a straight gas tax.

Obama also passed laws which helped Fraud Enforcement and Recovery, Cash for Clunkers extension (which really helps with global warming), various bills to help Vetarans and the Unemployed financially, Tax Credits for Small Companies and other tax credits for the middle class, introduced free trade with South Korea, Columbia, and other countries, and passed laws which keep food prices down (Food Safety and Modernization Act).

Obama was your best president since....Clinton, Clinton was good right? I'm not too familiar with older American Politics.


Bill Clinton regulated the stock market and really turn the job market & economy around for the better. That's some of the reasons why he got re-elected so easily.

Bill Clinton also got rid of generational welfare if you exclude Alaska, which also saved a lot of tax dollars down the road.

No one can blame Bill Clinton and the housing market on the recession that happen in the end of 2008, because the George Bush Housing crash happened in June or July 2007 which was like 18 months before George W. Bush de-regulation of the stock market caused the Global Recession in Q4 2K8.

What cause the housing market crash in 2007 was changes that happen to the housing market during Bush's first and/or second term in the 21st century.

So Clinton was your last great president then. Obama seems to be hit and miss, he tries to get a lot done, but is only succeeding in some aspects.

BTW, reading the comments of others, I now know the Large Soda Ban is only for New York State, and was not a law passed by Obama.



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Michael-5 said:

So Clinton was your last great president then. Obama seems to be hit and miss, he tries to get a lot done, but is only succeeding in some aspects.

BTW, reading the comments of others, I now know the Large Soda Ban is only for New York State, and was not a law passed by Obama.

Thank goodness it wasn't. If it was, that would be ridiculous.



NintendoPie said:
Michael-5 said:

So Clinton was your last great president then. Obama seems to be hit and miss, he tries to get a lot done, but is only succeeding in some aspects.

BTW, reading the comments of others, I now know the Large Soda Ban is only for New York State, and was not a law passed by Obama.

Thank goodness it wasn't. If it was, that would be ridiculous.

Would it really be?

I'm thinking the opposite, I've read that the "Big Gulp" at 7-Eleven in USA is 50% larger then the average human stomach. The Big Gulp in Canada is much, much smaller, and I already think it's too big.

There should be some regulation on fountain drinks, a drink that big is a real problem for causing diabetes. Even for two people, that's far too big of a drink that people should be allowed to get.

Remember it's a Large Soda ban, not a large water ban, Bloomburg is only trying to keep people healthy and prevent corporations from making too much profit on products which are harmful.



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Michael-5 said:

Would it really be?

I'm thinking the opposite, I've read that the "Big Gulp" at 7-Eleven in USA is 50% larger then the average human stomach. The Big Gulp in Canada is much, much smaller, and I already think it's too big.

There should be some regulation on fountain drinks, a drink that big is a real problem for causing diabetes. Even for two people, that's far too big of a drink that people should be allowed to get.

Remember it's a Large Soda ban, not a large water ban, Bloomburg is only trying to keep people healthy and prevent corporations from making too much profit on products which are harmful.

If people can't make the decision themselves to not get a large soda then that's their fault. The government shouldn't have to babysit the whole of their population because we "make bad decisions." I understand that it may seem like a good idea because you think you would be helping people, but those people need to help themselves. There shouldn't be a regulation on food that you can literally tell yourself not to eat because you know how bad it is. (There is a difference with re-calls, of course.)

I know it's just a regulation on soda, but to regulate any type of drink/food is slightly overboard. Also, did you ever think of people buying to mediums because they wanted a large? You know, people will find a way to ruin their bodies if they really wanted to.



When it is all said and done I think history will look back on the 16 long years (2000-2016) as the point where America went from "rolling down a hill towards the abyss" to "falling off the cliff and rapidly approaching the bottom (and its a bottom with sharp spikes all over it like in Mortal Kombat)."

We had the absolute worst Republican president in U.S. history (Bush) followed by the absolute worst Democratic president in U.S. history (Obama) for two terms each ... ouch.

Really the only good that can come out of Bush and Obama would be the creation of a reality tv show starring both of them where they compete against each other for the title of "Worst President Ever." We could have celebrity guests, obstacle courses, and voting/judges because every show needs those. If it is a hit, they could start paying off the mountain of fiat currency they both printed and subsequently wasted on their useless policies, wars, and social programs.

In all sincerity though, Obama and Bush are so alike (despite what partisians on both sides would have you believe) that they are practically the same person. Come to think of it, have they ever been spotted in the same room together?



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NintendoPie said:
Michael-5 said:

Would it really be?

I'm thinking the opposite, I've read that the "Big Gulp" at 7-Eleven in USA is 50% larger then the average human stomach. The Big Gulp in Canada is much, much smaller, and I already think it's too big.

There should be some regulation on fountain drinks, a drink that big is a real problem for causing diabetes. Even for two people, that's far too big of a drink that people should be allowed to get.

Remember it's a Large Soda ban, not a large water ban, Bloomburg is only trying to keep people healthy and prevent corporations from making too much profit on products which are harmful.

If people can't make the decision themselves to not get a large soda then that's their fault. The government shouldn't have to babysit the whole of their population because we "make bad decisions." I understand that it may seem like a good idea because you think you would be helping people, but those people need to help themselves. There shouldn't be a regulation on food that you can literally tell yourself not to eat because you know how bad it is. (There is a difference with re-calls, of course.)

I know it's just a regulation on soda, but to regulate any type of drink/food is slightly overboard. Also, did you ever think of people buying to mediums because they wanted a large? You know, people will find a way to ruin their bodies if they really wanted to.

What they should do is just ban "Corn Syrup" from ever being in our foods & beverages.

This would solve everything, which will allow us to keep the big size. Plus we can then drastically reduce the amount of sugar in sodas to keep the same taste but better, and this will reduce the calories to what they use to be before the 20th Century.

The real problem is "corn syrup".



thranx said:
AstroMaSSi said:

That's not the feeling we have outside USA... USA are more respected than some years ago.


I often see this said, But how is Obama any different than Bush? Obama freely violates other countries rights in ways that bush never was allowed too by the international populace. Although in africa and the middle east it seems like Obama is fastly losing his popularism among the people. Really Bush and Obama are so alike its not even funny. It really is a one party system over here. Any one who respects Obama for what he has done, also needs to respect Bush for what he did. They are the same actions just made by different people associated with a different political group.


Bush put American reporters in American prisons and he wire tapped everyone. And he made gay marriage illegal once again.

I could go on & on, but it seems that Bill O' Reilly's kind of people tell you whats going on.



DarthVolod said:

When it is all said and done I think history will look back on the 16 long years (2000-2016) as the point where America went from "rolling down a hill towards the abyss" to "falling off the cliff and rapidly approaching the bottom (and its a bottom with sharp spikes all over it like in Mortal Kombat)."

We had the absolute worst Republican president in U.S. history (Bush) followed by the absolute worst Democratic president in U.S. history (Obama) for two terms each ... ouch.

Really the only good that can come out of Bush and Obama would be the creation of a reality tv show starring both of them where they compete against each other for the title of "Worst President Ever." We could have celebrity guests, obstacle courses, and voting/judges because every show needs those. If it is a hit, they could start paying off the mountain of fiat currency they both printed and subsequently wasted on their useless policies, wars, and social programs.

In all sincerity though, Obama and Bush are so alike (despite what partisians on both sides would have you believe) that they are practically the same person. Come to think of it, have they ever been spotted in the same room together?

So Obama fully fixes the job market in 4 years + few months and he puts specific regulations on the Stock Market for minimum lost and maximum gain which is why the stock market is over 15,000 (highest its ever been in the history of Aerica), and he cracked down on so many corrupt government authorities throughout America, and made it law to have to pay women the same as men for the first time in the history of american laws, and he got rid of "leave no child behind" policy from Bush's presidency, and he enforce sanctions that work on Iran (not even China & Russia does any transactions with that country from now on), and he improve on foreign policy so other democratic countries like us once agan, and he increase trades with other countries on our end to sale more of our cars in foriegn countries, and he got rid of the ability to not be tax by having your money in foriegn bank accounts and has ose rich cheaters pay more taxes for not having their money in an American bank which increase revenue in the government so as to not put the burden on e middle-class, and he picks out specific people to figure out where Osama Bin Ladan is, and he makes the decision base on well reliable information to order our highly specially trained troops to go to a suburban neighborhood in Pakistan and take out Osama Bin Laden if he's there, which risk his own presidency to get e man who did 9/11........and this makes Barack (Jewish name) Obama (Kenyan name) the worse democratic president?

Bill Clinton only did a fraction as much good things for this country in 8 years then Barack in 4 years.

I'm curious to see what happens to Congress in November 2014 (if anything).



NintendoPie said:
Michael-5 said:

Would it really be?

I'm thinking the opposite, I've read that the "Big Gulp" at 7-Eleven in USA is 50% larger then the average human stomach. The Big Gulp in Canada is much, much smaller, and I already think it's too big.

There should be some regulation on fountain drinks, a drink that big is a real problem for causing diabetes. Even for two people, that's far too big of a drink that people should be allowed to get.

Remember it's a Large Soda ban, not a large water ban, Bloomburg is only trying to keep people healthy and prevent corporations from making too much profit on products which are harmful.

If people can't make the decision themselves to not get a large soda then that's their fault. The government shouldn't have to babysit the whole of their population because we "make bad decisions." I understand that it may seem like a good idea because you think you would be helping people, but those people need to help themselves. There shouldn't be a regulation on food that you can literally tell yourself not to eat because you know how bad it is. (There is a difference with re-calls, of course.)

I know it's just a regulation on soda, but to regulate any type of drink/food is slightly overboard. Also, did you ever think of people buying to mediums because they wanted a large? You know, people will find a way to ruin their bodies if they really wanted to.

This is just the difference between American and Canadian thinking. North of the border, we wouldn't blaime the individual entirely since 7-Eleven, Coka-Cola, etc continuously bombard you with advertizements, and store designs.

Yes some people will buy two mediums to get the equivalent of a large, but that's because they are used to drinking a large size and it will take them a long time to adjust to the new sizes.

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Okay, here is an interesting factoid. When McDonalds first became a public company, they had one sized pop. In the 60's they added a Large size drink. Let's call this drink X (just remember Drink X). In the 70's Drink X became the medium, and there was a new large. In the 80's They added an Extra Large. In the 90's Small became Kiddie, X became small, etc, and they added a larger size. In the late 90's I believe, McD's upsized all their drinks, so the old small (drink X) became kiddie.

In 50 Years, not only has the "normal" sized drink disappeared from McDonalds, but the later introduced Large is now a Kiddie. I'm not sure about exact dates, but this is a true story. Now compare Diabetes rates.

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The thing is, while I agree with you people should take responsibility for their own actions and choose what they drink/eat more carefully, but people don't. If you let large corporations keep pushing high profit products (over-sized drinks), not only does their company benefit off making people less healthy, but normal sized drinks will cease to appear on shelves. There need to be some regulations which keep normal portion drinks on shelves, otherwise we're all just going to be getting "Big Gulps" because stores won't sell small sized drinks due to small profit margins.

This drink scenario also applies to food too.

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Sorry, I'm writing a lot, but do you agree with this law: In Canada (and I believe USA as well) grocery stores are legally required to have the produce section at the front of the store near the main entrance. Do you know why? Produce is low profit, and it's easy for store to shove this stuff in the back, and maybe even get rid of it, but because of this regulation people do tend to buy more produce since they see it essentially "advertized" as they walk into the grocery store.

I see the Large Soda Ban in a similar light.



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Kaizar said:

What they should do is just ban "Corn Syrup" from ever being in our foods & beverages.

This would solve everything, which will allow us to keep the big size. Plus we can then drastically reduce the amount of sugar in sodas to keep the same taste but better, and this will reduce the calories to what they use to be before the 20th Century.

The real problem is "corn syrup".

Corn Syrup is heavily subsidized in the states because USA can produce a lot of corn cheap. Simply lifting this subsidy would do so much to improve food quality (This is why European pop tastes better, they use Beat sugar, not Corn).

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However I do think there should be a law in USA. Maybe not ban Large Soda's, but make it a law that if a store is to sell oversized pop, or oversized food portions, then they need to legally have an extra small (in my example prior, the original McDonalds drink size) drink/food portion available.

I think the biggest cause of obesity is meal proportions. People simply eat too much, and I think they eat too much just because the average meal size has slowly grown in the last 60 years, and people have forgotten what's a normal proportion of food per meal.



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