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TheTux94 said:
Wander_ said:
Fire Shigeru Miyamoto hes holding Nintendo back with his kid friendly crap. And just make him a game director not in charge of what goes and what doesn't.

He is retiring from Nintendo this year if I'm not wrong.

Where did you hear that from?



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spurgeonryan said:
It is not all about the systems. Nintendo is a business that is being run poorly.


Recovering from a loss is not the same thing as being run poorly.  Choose your words more carefully, and might I also suggest you're being overly cynical about Nintendo's business prospects.  Especially when we're currently on the cusp of a 3DS explosion in Japan.



 

cusman 0 minutes ago
TheLastStarFighter said:
I have bought a significant amount of Nintendo stock. I can say that a big reason I purchased was because of the leadership of Iwata and Myamoto. Nintendo's software has been other-worldly successful and Iwata has lead a complete revival of the Nintendo brand. 3DS is trending ahead of its predecessor and that will likely continue as DS dies of in the US. WiiU just launched to around 80% of the sales of Wii despite selling in a very different environment and at a significantly higher pricepoint. As a shareholder I'm very pleased. The philosophy of not going all out to push tech boundries is very wise. The low price and touchscreen interface should appeal to a mass-market audience. People may want a better-looking NSMBU, but it was probably affordable to produce and should generate buckets of profits. And as far as 3rd party support goes as a gamer I want it but if it doesn't come I'll just buy a PS4 or Nextbox depending on which seems better. But as a shareholder I don't really care as long as the systems still sell. 3rd party is great, but if you have a 1st part dominated system you make way more profits since you make more money off 1st party. I only want to see more 3rd party support in that it will help drive sales, especially late-life sales...but by then I will have probably sold my stock anyway.

At what price point did you buy your NTDOY shares? They were at 52 week low last time I checked... very bad stock to own. They don't even pay dividends as well as they used to back when the Wii had its super success 2006-2008

 

Of course they are a bad stock to own and don't pay dividends at a high rate right now... that's why they are a great stock to buy.  The simple objective of buying and trading stock is, of course, to buy low and sell high. Nintendo is low right now so they are a great buy.  When they are successful they will be a great sell since most people do the opposite of what they should do.  Oh, and as I said above I purchased at $13.92, meaning today I'm down a buck.  For a long time I was up 33% which was a nice quick return.  I have slight regret not cashing out and then buying again...it would have been some serious nice extra $$, but my plan has always been to keep it till next fall.  By that point 3DS should be pushing 40 million in user base and printing money, WiiU should be starting to hit its stride...hopefully with some good hype, pushing stock prices upwards. We'll see what happens.



NintendoPie said:
TheTux94 said:
Wander_ said:
Fire Shigeru Miyamoto hes holding Nintendo back with his kid friendly crap. And just make him a game director not in charge of what goes and what doesn't.

He is retiring from Nintendo this year if I'm not wrong.

Where did you hear that from?

Firing him is equivalent to ending production of 5 of their top 10 IP's.  Also, he is not retiring any time soon, he is transitioning into a smaller role, working with smaller teams on smaller games, and giving some of the big IP's over to people who are younger, but are more than capable (Aonuma, Tezuka, Koizumi, etc).  



 

sperrico87 said:

Firing him is equivalent to ending production of 5 of their top 10 IP's.  Also, he is not retiring any time soon, he is transitioning into a smaller role, working with smaller teams on smaller games, and giving some of the big IP's over to people who are younger, but are more than capable (Aonuma, Tezuka, Koizumi, etc).  

Who will take his position? Was that announced?



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Mr Khan said:
KungKras said:
The ones that need to be fired are Aonuma and Sakamoto. Like now.

Ironically (and from a pure business perspective, mind) Sakamoto does great things if you keep him away from Metroid. Tomodachi Collection and its Japanese success was pretty much all him. Game and Wario is likely his baby as well, and that could do good things on Wii U (not great, but good)

Aonuma just needs to be given tighter deadlines and less creative freedom, as we know the best art is made with the right degree of adversity, and he has had a bit too much creative freedom of late.

I give you Sakamoto. He might do well as long as he is kept from Metroid. But Aonuma hates eveything that makes Zelda good. He couldn't even finish Super Mario Brothers. He shouldn't be anywhere near Zelda, or anywhere near an influential position in any Nintendo game. The guy is clueless.



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TheLastStarFighter said:
I have bought a significant amount of Nintendo stock. I can say that a big reason I purchased was because of the leadership of Iwata and Myamoto. Nintendo's software has been other-worldly successful and Iwata has lead a complete revival of the Nintendo brand. 3DS is trending ahead of its predecessor and that will likely continue as DS dies of in the US. WiiU just launched to around 80% of the sales of Wii despite selling in a very different environment and at a significantly higher pricepoint. As a shareholder I'm very pleased. The philosophy of not going all out to push tech boundries is very wise. The low price and touchscreen interface should appeal to a mass-market audience. People may want a better-looking NSMBU, but it was probably affordable to produce and should generate buckets of profits. And as far as 3rd party support goes as a gamer I want it but if it doesn't come I'll just buy a PS4 or Nextbox depending on which seems better. But as a shareholder I don't really care as long as the systems still sell. 3rd party is great, but if you have a 1st part dominated system you make way more profits since you make more money off 1st party. I only want to see more 3rd party support in that it will help drive sales, especially late-life sales...but by then I will have probably sold my stock anyway.

I too have used the YoY 3DS sales increase, as well as the fact it's still outpacing the DS globally in arguments in Nintendo's favor.

But then I considered the following:

Nintendo's biggest markets are outside of Japan.  U.S. and European growth specifically must be used and cited as markers of success & future prospects since Japan alone can't sustain growth for Nintendo.

  • 3DS Sales for U.S. for 2011, Release Date 3/27:  4,107,353  ...9 months on the market (105,317/wk)
  • 3DS Sales for U.S. for 2012:  3,511,517  12 months  (67,529/wk)

The 3DS sold 600,000 fewer units in the United States total in calendar year 2012 though it had more available games, a price cut, and 3 more months on sale vs 2011 - and dropped 38k in weekly average sales.

Now Europe:

  • 3DS Sales for Europe for 2011, Release Date March 25th: 3,597,727...9 months on the market (92,249 / week)
  • 3DS Sales for Europe for calendar 2012:  3,594,486 12 months (69,124 / week)
3DS sales for Europe in 2012 fell by 3k total though it had an extra 3 months on the market, and dropped 23k in weekly average sales.   
CONCLUSION:  3DS is declining in Nintendo's key markets.
Japan:
  • 3DS Sales for Japan for 2011, Release Date Feb 26th:  4,312,326  ...10 months on the market  (99,592/week)
  • 3DS Sales for Japan 2012:  5,503,782  12 months on the market (103,845 / week)
Japan saw a YoY increase of 1,191,456 3DS units, with a 4k weekly average increase in unit sales...leaving a Net Global YoY Increase of 588,456
CONCLUSION: 3DS Sales in Japan is the only reason for the YoY sales increase.
2011 Global 3DS Sales:  13,250,062  (Over 300k / week)
2012 Global 3DS Sales:  13,775,151  (264,907 / week)
Using the above weekly sales information for 2011, we see the average weekly sales-rate for 3DS declined in 2012 globally despite the YoY increase
Now what about the fact that the 3DS is outpacing the DS in sales?  How did the DS do in the US, Europe, and Japan over it's first couple years?  
In it's first 52 Weeks in the U.S., the DS from Nov 27. 2004 - Nov 26 2005 sold 2,823,080.
In it's second 52 Weeks, U.S. - 4,610,290
The DS gained dramatically in popularity in the U.S. during its 2nd year available for sale.
Europe DS first 52 Weeks on sale, release date March 11, 2005:  4,125,618
Europe DS second 52 Weeks on sale: 6,740,467  
The DS showed a large upward trend in Europe during it's 2nd year on sale similar to the U.S.
Japan DS first 52 weeks on sale: 3,909,841
Japan DS second 52 weeks on sale: 8,811,135
Japan saw a huge DS increase like the U.S., and Europe.
CONCLUSION:  Though the 3DS is outpacing the DS in unit sales globally after nearly 100 weeks of their respective launches,  it has done so due to A) selling more units initially riding on the shoulders of its predecessor - the DS's success, but the 3DS's declining trend in the US and in Europe, despite strong Japanese sales, will shortly show that the DS will outpace the 3DS over a longer time horizon, and that the 3DS does not have a chance to match life-time unit sales of the DS.
FINAL CONCLUSION:
What all of this seems to mean is that the gaming landscape is shifting underneath the feet of Nintendo in its two key markets, the U.S. and Europe.  Its handheld is in decline most likely due to iOS & Android Smart-Phone & Tablet gaming, which are trending upwards.  This paints a rocky picture for Nintendo, especially if their Wii U system does not catch on as hoped.  
This appears to be why Investors are so Bearish on Nintendo and feel Nintendo management is out of touch with most of the gaming world.  

 



cusman said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
I have bought a significant amount of Nintendo stock. I can say that a big reason I purchased was because of the leadership of Iwata and Myamoto. Nintendo's software has been other-worldly successful and Iwata has lead a complete revival of the Nintendo brand. 3DS is trending ahead of its predecessor and that will likely continue as DS dies of in the US. WiiU just launched to around 80% of the sales of Wii despite selling in a very different environment and at a significantly higher pricepoint. As a shareholder I'm very pleased. The philosophy of not going all out to push tech boundries is very wise. The low price and touchscreen interface should appeal to a mass-market audience. People may want a better-looking NSMBU, but it was probably affordable to produce and should generate buckets of profits. And as far as 3rd party support goes as a gamer I want it but if it doesn't come I'll just buy a PS4 or Nextbox depending on which seems better. But as a shareholder I don't really care as long as the systems still sell. 3rd party is great, but if you have a 1st part dominated system you make way more profits since you make more money off 1st party. I only want to see more 3rd party support in that it will help drive sales, especially late-life sales...but by then I will have probably sold my stock anyway.

At what price point did you buy your NTDOY shares? They were at 52 week low last time I checked... very bad stock to own. They don't even pay dividends as well as they used to back when the Wii had its super success 2006-2008

of course their dividends aren't going to be as good as 06-08, it based off profits.  Nintendo's shares being suppressed is baffling, but I would be shocked if we don't see the shares near 20$ by mid year.  All four devices are profitable right now with Wii selling well above it's software projections.  Nintendo profited last year in the 3rd quarter with 3DS selling at a loss.  There is no way they cannot be profitable this year while making money off 3DS hardware.  They'll end up moving somehwere around 15 million 3DS' before the fiscal year is complete.




The one thing I will blame Iwata for is under his leadership Nintendo has failed to create (or really even try all that hard) any new long lasting I.P.

The whole Brain Training/Nintendogs/Wii Fit/Wii Sports crazes were immensely profitable for Nintendo, but really, these franchises have burnt out and had their moment in the sun.

Nintendo failed to properly invest in making new franchises and cut off most ties with Western 2nd parties (bye bye to things like Perfect Dark, Conker, Killer Instinct, Eternal Darkness, NBA Courtside, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, etc.). At NST things like Project: HAMMER were canned.

Nintendo's answer under Iwata to everything nowadays seems to be "just throw Mario at the problem". 3DS in trouble? Throw Mario at it (Mario 3DL + Mario Kart 7). Need to maintain 3DS momentum? More Mario (NSMB2 + Paper Mario). Need to launch the Wii U? More Mario (NSMB U).

They're like a coach that is wearing out their star player by failing to develop any other talent.

Under Iwata, Nintendo has not had a hit new character-based I.P. franchise in 10+ years. The last one Nintendo really even tried with was Pikmin, and that was a moderate success. 



Jumpin said:
Also, why single out Nintendo? Why not look at the fact that the guy running Sony Computer Entertainment didn't get fired for his massive failures, rather he got promoted.

Well, to be fair, the former boss of Sony got fired and Kazuo Hirai got promoted, because the gaming-branch is not the source of the problems.



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