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How (un)successful do you want your unfavorable company to be?

I want them obliterated! 36 33.03%
 
Not obliterated; just les... 41 37.61%
 
Just not extrememly more ... 15 13.76%
 
I don't care how successful they are. 17 15.60%
 
Total:109

I have no animosity toward any company, but I believe that companies should probably fail if they don't have the competence to continue working, aren't working well enough to adjust to the times or are basically obsolete when it comes to the reality of the marketplace. I am not a 'Laissez Faire' type, anything but, but life support cannot be maintained forever on corporations that cannot come back to the forefront. Innovate, adjust or die, is what it amounts to.

It sucks for the people who work there, sure, but the evolution of a always growing and changing marketplace is more or less the only deciding factor. If they can't sail the treacherous waters, they should probably go back to shore. If a company tanks, then that's their own fault.



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amp316 said:
I personally don't want to see any of the "big three" fail. More competition breeds a better gaming environment for everyone. While I have to admit that I found some of Sony's stumbles a bit amusing, I don't want to see them go belly up. The console wars are kind of like professional sports. I always cheer for the Bears to beat the Packers (and hope they do), but the NFL wouldn't be as successful or the same without those darned cheeseheads.
On the other hand, if the Miami Heat disappeared from the face of the planet I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Thankfully, gaming doesn't have a Miami Heat.


Sales2099 used the Sports analogy before, but it doesn't really hold weight.

 

Fans of gaming are nothing like fans of sports. The entire purpose of sports is to have one particular team be victorious. And in sports, a team's victory is entirely dependent upon another team's loss. It's not possible for two teams to win in the same competition. Therefore, it would be pretty difficult for a person to root for two different teams when competiting. If you identify yourself as an X fan, you're going to inherently want the Y team to fail as they could prevent X team from maximum success.

The opposite is true for gaming fans, at least most of us. It is quite possible for multiple companies in the gaming industries to be successful. There does not need to be a loser to allow for another company's success. I sports, success is dependent upon how much better you are than the other teams. In the gaming industry, success doesn't have to be doing-better-than-the-other-company. In order for one console to succeed, the other console does not need to lose or fail. 

 



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I hope you enjoy it.

 



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I do believe that historically Sony fans have been much more vocal about the superiority of the brand they preferred, and very ennerving it was for two long generations (PS1 and PS2), and that trends finally began fizzling out just lately with the relatively low performance of the PS3 sales (esp. at launch) and now of the Vita. So yeah, it makes me happy when the people who spoke so loud against Nintendo for so long get something coming to them. It also makes me happy when an industry that was led by Nintendo turns to Sony and all the media and buzz is around Sony and bashing Nintendo, it would make one happy when all that is squashed, as one's had their excitement equally squashed.

Having said that, the minority of PS fans that I like have either changed with time to be better and more balanced people, or the bad ones have just left, leaving us with a much better harmony between the camps in general. Also, Sony's dedication to game content and compelling gaming experiences makes me want them to persist through time with no bounds. It's like the pole opposite emotion.

So when it comes to my nemesis console (the Playstation), I am bipolar. Just kidding. But to be honest, most of my feelings of resentment that stemmed from the breakup of Nintendo and Square, and many other J-companies back in the N64 days is coming to an end. I just hope no camp returns to that kind of attitude, and the fire is quelled once and for all.



Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:

I have openly stated my feelings against Sony, but not for the reasons most assume. Simply put, I cant stand PS3 fan fanatics. 1,) Every multiconsole forum on the internet is rife with near religious reverence to Sony/PS3, despite what real world statistics/numbers tell us.

So when Sony makes a mistake, it brings me pleasure not that the company is failing, but it puts those fanatics in their place. That their snappy comebacks and Xbox venom get brought up short when Sony closes a studio or posts a quarterly loss.

"If" Sony goes the Sega route in gaming, which I myself very much doubt, I always wonder what those Sony fanatics will say then. Where will be the RROD, Xbot, 360 has no exclusives smugness then? The internet will be a much better place. But for now, I am content with the day or two of their silence that gets bought when bad Sony news comes out.

But to answer your question, it brings me pleasure in general when cocky and smug people get whats coming to them. It helps me with the satisfaction that the gaming internet will be a better place for the rest of gamers.


I knew you'd show up. Anyway, few comments

1st bolded: Why does it upset you that the internet does not mirror the real world? Why do you care what the internet thinks? So a small group of the world favors a relatively niche product...so what?

Also, if you had a problem with the internet and the real world not matching, then you should really be talking to both PS3 fans AND 360 fans. Because as you can see, Nintendo has won this generation by a MUCH larger margin than the 360 beat the PS3. And Nintendo's internet presence is MUCH smaller than the 360's. Logically you should be putting PS360 fans in their place by reminding them that Nintendo is beast. 

So clearly, it's not just you wanting the the internet to match the real world, you make your post based off of your own subjective tastes. That's way you promot XBOX WAAYY more than you promote Nintendo.

2nd bolded: I don't think that's the case. How has Sony fans been actingg more smug than any other fan. From my perspective, the percentage 'smugness' is pretty much even from all fanbases; it's just your biases that change what you see. You're more likely to notice a cocky Sony fan than you will a cocky Xbox fan, for example. But of course, I could be bias myself, so I can't say for sure.

It is irritating when people openly deny the facts in front of them. Your company is tanking by comparison, you have less games, less 70-90+ metacritic games, last place in sales, yet you act superior to everyone else. That kind of mentality disgusts me. I wish that people see what happens in the real world and act accordingly on the internet, or at least be more humbled.

I am not a Nintendo fan. Nintendo fans are good in my book because they do not have that smugness, despite winning the gen.

I am a Xbox fan with my own biases. Very perceptive. But putting Sony fans in their place benfits everyone, not just my camp. And obviously, my camp is the target of the Sony smugness and venom.

You openly deny that Sony fans arent the majority on the gaming internet then you have no business with threads like these. You adopt the were all equal approach, openly ignoring the trends. You dont have to look far beyond me to find people openly say how forums like N4G are infested by that crowd.



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Honestly though, the only company I enjoy seeing failing is Sony. The reason being that they are direct competitors with MS, and therefore if they're failing it means MS is winning. If Sony died then the 720 would sell a lot more and have no competition and turn out like the PS2 did (domination), and exclusives like Halo etc. would subsequently sell a lot more.

Also, the way I see it, Sony had their chance to dominate the console market and they blew it. Therefore, I don't think they should have the right to give it another chance giving that they blew it the last time. Survival of the fittest and all that



Jay520 said:
amp316 said:
I personally don't want to see any of the "big three" fail. More competition breeds a better gaming environment for everyone. While I have to admit that I found some of Sony's stumbles a bit amusing, I don't want to see them go belly up. The console wars are kind of like professional sports. I always cheer for the Bears to beat the Packers (and hope they do), but the NFL wouldn't be as successful or the same without those darned cheeseheads.
On the other hand, if the Miami Heat disappeared from the face of the planet I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Thankfully, gaming doesn't have a Miami Heat.


Sales2099 used the Sports analogy before, but it doesn't really hold weight.

 

Fans of gaming are nothing like fans of sports. The entire purpose of sports is to have one particular team be victorious. And in sports, a team's victory is entirely dependent upon another team's loss. It's not possible for two teams to win in the same competition. Therefore, it would be pretty difficult for a person to root for two different teams when competiting. If you identify yourself as an X fan, you're going to inherently want the Y team to fail as they could prevent X team from maximum success.

The opposite is true for gaming fans, at least most of us. It is quite possible for multiple companies in the gaming industries to be successful. There does not need to be a loser to allow for another company's success. I sports, success is dependent upon how much better you are than the other teams. In the gaming industry, success doesn't have to be doing-better-than-the-other-company. In order for one console to succeed, the other console does not need to lose or fail. 

 

You are right in the sense that if Sony loses every game, so to speak, that they would be out of the gaming business.  I personally would not like to see that happen.  There is the sports mentality though of me wishing to see Nintendo come out on top, but too be honest I love gaming and if Sony were to be gone it give Nintendo and Microsoft less of a reason to innovate.  Man, do I hate the Miami Heat.  Lebron James pisses me off.  I wish all three to do well enough to exist.  So with that; I suppose that I do cheer a bit from the sidelines, but don't wish that any of them to wind up like Sega.  So I don't feel that the sports analogy is 100% incorrect.    



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sales2099 said:

I have openly stated my feelings against Sony, but not for the reasons most assume. Simply put, I cant stand PS3 fan fanatics. Every multiconsole forum on the internet is rife with near religious reverence to Sony/PS3, despite what real world statistics/numbers tell us.

So when Sony makes a mistake, it brings me pleasure not that the company is failing, but it puts those fanatics in their place. That their snappy comebacks and Xbox venom get brought up short when Sony closes a studio or posts a quarterly loss.

"If" Sony goes the Sega route in gaming, which I myself very much doubt, I always wonder what those Sony fanatics will say then. Where will be the RROD, Xbot, 360 has no exclusives smugness then? The internet will be a much better place. But for now, I am content with the day or two of their silence that gets bought when bad Sony news comes out.

But to answer your question, it brings me pleasure in general when cocky and smug people get whats coming to them. It helps me with the satisfaction that the gaming internet will be a better place for the rest of gamers.


But is it worth becoming the monster that you hate? Your impulses have overtaken you on many occasions and you are no longer any different than the fanatics you despise. You might think it above you, justify that it is reactionary to the harshness of blinded fans, in a way it is, but what seperates taking shots at RRoD and taking shots at a fanatic user base. There is a fine line between consumer opinion and fanatasism. Do you know where the lines blur? Is there a saftey net for that tight rope? We pray one day that the hate will escape you and for your return to humanity.

*cough* and buy a PS3 *cough* 

Did you hear something? Could of sworn I heard some kind bird or a dog or something. Anyway, cheers!



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Surely, I can't be the only one who orders a celebratory pizza each time bad Sony news pops up?



happydolphin said:

I do believe that historically Sony fans have been much more vocal about the superiority of the brand they preferred, and very ennerving it was for two long generations (PS1 and PS2), and that trends finally began fizzling out just lately with the relatively low performance of the PS3 sales (esp. at launch) and now of the Vita. So yeah, it makes me happy when the people who spoke so loud against Nintendo for so long get something coming to them. It also makes me happy when an industry that was led by Nintendo turns to Sony and all the media and buzz is around Sony and bashing Nintendo, it would make one happy when all that is squashed, as one's had their excitement equally squashed.


At bolded: you're talking about things that occured over six years ago. It's not even possible to 'get even' with those specific people. It makes one wonder: how long do you resent people for something that happened so long ago by a group of people who don't even see anymore?

As for Sony fans being the most vocal, I don't think that's the case today (or since 2006, for that matter). There's nothing inherent about any specific fanbase that makes them the most vocal. The vocalness of a fanbase seems to mirror the success or apparent success of the fanbase's favorite company. For example, with the 3DS and the Wii U coming soon, Nintendo fans are the most vocal imo.