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Is PS All Stars going to be a huge flop in America? (dismal pre-orders) UPDATE: Yep, it's a huge flop.

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I think a massive thing to factor into the will it flop or not argument isn't just about the actual sales of PSASBR it is more about can they market this in a way that gets people to actually go out and pick up some Vitas, maybe we should see a vita bundle which comes with this game included for holiday season, I know you get the vita version free if you own a ps3 version of the game, but I mean just a way to rope in completely new people to the PSvita.

Even if the vita version of this sold .250k copies of it.... but they were all people buying vitas just to have a portable smash bros style experience, that would be this game doing absolute wonders for sony.



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ganoncrotch said:
I think a massive thing to factor into the will it flop or not argument isn't just about the actual sales of PSASBR it is more about can they market this in a way that gets people to actually go out and pick up some Vitas, maybe we should see a vita bundle which comes with this game included for holiday season, I know you get the vita version free if you own a ps3 version of the game, but I mean just a way to rope in completely new people to the PSvita.

Even if the vita version of this sold .250k copies of it.... but they were all people buying vitas just to have a portable smash bros style experience, that would be this game doing absolute wonders for sony.


There will be a PSASBR vita bundle and PSASBR is launching right before Black Friday. I see good first week sales for this title. People want to write it off as a rip off, but this is a big deal. It's the PlayStation version of Smash Bros. I don't care if people are bitter or hurt about it, it's still a big deal. PlayStation fans are thrilled and so should Smash Bros fans because its another similar high quality game. This is good for gamers.

As for Vita, the bundle will help and so will Cross Buy. Every one buying PSASBR is going to have a Vita version...burning a hole in their game collection, guarenteeing a game upon purchasing a Vita. Even better if they pick up one of those several other bundles avaialble this year.



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Chark said:
ganoncrotch said:
I think a massive thing to factor into the will it flop or not argument isn't just about the actual sales of PSASBR it is more about can they market this in a way that gets people to actually go out and pick up some Vitas, maybe we should see a vita bundle which comes with this game included for holiday season, I know you get the vita version free if you own a ps3 version of the game, but I mean just a way to rope in completely new people to the PSvita.

Even if the vita version of this sold .250k copies of it.... but they were all people buying vitas just to have a portable smash bros style experience, that would be this game doing absolute wonders for sony.


There will be a PSASBR vita bundle and PSASBR is launching right before Black Friday. I see good first week sales for this title. People want to write it off as a rip off, but this is a big deal. It's the PlayStation version of Smash Bros. I don't care if people are bitter or hurt about it, it's still a big deal. PlayStation fans are thrilled and so should Smash Bros fans because its another similar high quality game. This is good for gamers.

As for Vita, the bundle will help and so will Cross Buy. Every one buying PSASBR is going to have a Vita version...burning a hole in their game collection, guarenteeing a game upon purchasing a Vita. Even better if they pick up one of those several other bundles avaialble this year.

Yeah that's a really cool point with the Cross buy idea, if you got someone who has their PS3 and has like... 5 or 6 games which support it, it's almost like it's costing them having that much software they can't use to not go out and pick the damn thing up and play um on the go. The system will pretty much have itself sorted for games for months after buying it like that. As for people being annoyed at it being a game in the same genre as smash brothers? I don't really think outside of a handful of a really small minority of people who wouldn't have bought the game to begin with this shouldn't really have any impact on sales at launch day.



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man-bear-pig said:

"PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (PS3) added 1,139 pre-orders for a total of 16,696" - Source

I'm making this thread because in VGChartz latest pre-order article it was revealed that PS All Stars only has 16,696 pre-orders, meaning that Who wants to be a millionaire: 1st edition (Wii) and Transformers: fall of Cyberteon (X360) have more pre-orders in the USA than it. I find this shocking! I havent been following the pre-order chart for a while, so when i started to watch it again a few weeks ago I was expecting a game like PS All Stars to have about 50k pre-orders at the absolute minimum, but 16,696 seems incredibly low.

Is it gonna be a huge flop? Will pre-orders pick up rapidly in the coming weeks? What's going on?!


I've been saying that since it was shown at the E3. All it is is a SSBB ripoff and not a very good one. I was literally falling asleep while watching the demo they were showing at the E3. Even Power Stones was better then PS All-Stars. One of the things I hate about it is the characters get so small you can't even tell what they are doing. The backgrounds also aren't up to snuff for me. There is just nothing special about this game. It'll probably sell better in Europe since gamers over there seem hyped over it. I won't be buying it.



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Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Should have known you would become desperate sooner or later. GTA hasn't even released for the 3DS nor MH so what are you comparing those titles to on the 3DS. Did Resident Evil 5 underperform on the 360 and PS3 becasue GTA4 outsold it so much. Thats what you are pretty much saying by comparing much less known core titles on 3DS to those juggernalts on the PSP. Alot of those other titles are Sony titles, which Ninty titles have done just as well on the 3DS. Anyways atleast you answered the question of what sells on handhelds. Thats all that matters not if core titles that don't even do that well on handhelds will sell. GTA and MH is all you got, which is on its way to the 3DS and GTA has yet to show up this gen.

You keep focusing on just a couple games. If I was just talking about GTA and MH I wouldn't have posted a list of 52 games. My point is there are a bunch of core games that sold over a million units on the PSP.

In case you don't recall, my argument was I don't believe the Vita or 3DS will be as successful at selling core games as last gen hand held consoles. It seems you now agree with me. Hence, I won this argument.

Nope not at all, you compared the lifetime sells of core games on the PSP to the first year sells of core games on the 3DS. Ninty makes core games as well whether you consider them core or not is irrelevant. The only major selling core games on PSP was GTA and MH and i have already responded to those.



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phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Should have known you would become desperate sooner or later. GTA hasn't even released for the 3DS nor MH so what are you comparing those titles to on the 3DS. Did Resident Evil 5 underperform on the 360 and PS3 becasue GTA4 outsold it so much. Thats what you are pretty much saying by comparing much less known core titles on 3DS to those juggernalts on the PSP. Alot of those other titles are Sony titles, which Ninty titles have done just as well on the 3DS. Anyways atleast you answered the question of what sells on handhelds. Thats all that matters not if core titles that don't even do that well on handhelds will sell. GTA and MH is all you got, which is on its way to the 3DS and GTA has yet to show up this gen.

You keep focusing on just a couple games. If I was just talking about GTA and MH I wouldn't have posted a list of 52 games. My point is there are a bunch of core games that sold over a million units on the PSP.

In case you don't recall, my argument was I don't believe the Vita or 3DS will be as successful at selling core games as last gen hand held consoles. It seems you now agree with me. Hence, I won this argument.

Nope not at all, you compared the lifetime sells of core games on the PSP to the first year sells of core games on the 3DS. Ninty makes core games as well whether you consider them core or not is irrelevant. The only major selling core games on PSP was GTA and MH and i have already responded to those.

Let me explain to you again. My original argument was I don't believe core audiences in the west care about handheld consoles. The list I posted is a fine example of how core sales declined on the PSP.

Forget MH and GTA. I'm more concerned that few handheld core games can achieve a million nowadays.



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Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Should have known you would become desperate sooner or later. GTA hasn't even released for the 3DS nor MH so what are you comparing those titles to on the 3DS. Did Resident Evil 5 underperform on the 360 and PS3 becasue GTA4 outsold it so much. Thats what you are pretty much saying by comparing much less known core titles on 3DS to those juggernalts on the PSP. Alot of those other titles are Sony titles, which Ninty titles have done just as well on the 3DS. Anyways atleast you answered the question of what sells on handhelds. Thats all that matters not if core titles that don't even do that well on handhelds will sell. GTA and MH is all you got, which is on its way to the 3DS and GTA has yet to show up this gen.

You keep focusing on just a couple games. If I was just talking about GTA and MH I wouldn't have posted a list of 52 games. My point is there are a bunch of core games that sold over a million units on the PSP.

In case you don't recall, my argument was I don't believe the Vita or 3DS will be as successful at selling core games as last gen hand held consoles. It seems you now agree with me. Hence, I won this argument.

Nope not at all, you compared the lifetime sells of core games on the PSP to the first year sells of core games on the 3DS. Ninty makes core games as well whether you consider them core or not is irrelevant. The only major selling core games on PSP was GTA and MH and i have already responded to those.

Let me explain to you again. My original argument was I don't believe core audiences in the west care about handheld consoles. The list I posted is a fine example of how core sales declined on the PSP.

Forget MH and GTA. I'm more concerned that few handheld core games can achieve a million nowadays.

Let me explain again, whether you think Mario is core or not is irrelevant. Mario is core to many of us, so wrong and incorrect, core titles to sell well on handhelds.



If people try it, they will buy it. It's a really fun game. All Sony needs, is for people to try it at a friends house and they will go buy it. It has the potential to turn into CoD, Mario Kart, and SSB popularity wise for playing with friends. So we might see steady sales over the next year, instead of huge sales the first week then it dieing off like most games.



Playstation All-Stars is one of the best games I've played this gen, and is the most fun I've had in a game this gen.

phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Let me explain to you again. My original argument was I don't believe core audiences in the west care about handheld consoles. The list I posted is a fine example of how core sales declined on the PSP.

Forget MH and GTA. I'm more concerned that few handheld core games can achieve a million nowadays.

Let me explain again, whether you think Mario is core or not is irrelevant. Mario is core to many of us, so wrong and incorrect, core titles to sell well on handhelds.

Oh! I see what you're doing. You're saying as long as some core games do well my argument doesen't hold water.

Now this begs the question... why the fuck are you bothering me? I'm not denying a few core games still do well. I'm aruging most core games on handheld platforms are struggling.



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Yeah it will flop but with some massive bundling I'm sure it will turn out some good numbers. I mean this game just screams bundle.