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Mr Puggsly on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Also what core games are doing poorly on 3DS? You probably made it up but watever.

Here are the numbers of some noteworthy titles...

Resident Evil Revelations - 0.59

Kid Icarus - 0.83

Metal Gear Solid 3 - 0.17

Dead or Alive - 0.25

Tekken 3D - 0.09

Ace Combat - 0.10

These numbers aren't impressive. The PSP could achieve numbers like this now and its basically dead.

Like I said completely made it up, you named a bunch of games that dont sell on handhelds anyways and are ports. Try again, MH is a core game correct? Core games are doing fine on this handheld, its just on handheld isnt doing well at all.

MH is doing great in Japan, but an exception doesn't show the big picture.

MH did well on the Wii as well. But you can't tell me the Wii was great at moving core software.

Core software it never received yes? But the core titles it did, yea it wasnt as much of an failure as you guys claim.

I'm not debating how much of failure Wii was at moving core software. I was just explaining why your example was bad. A few successful core titles doesn't mean the hardware is great at moving core software.

I feel the west may not be as interested in playing core games on a handheld console as last gen.



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phenom08 on 05 September 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Also what core games are doing poorly on 3DS? You probably made it up but watever.

Here are the numbers of some noteworthy titles...

Resident Evil Revelations - 0.59

Kid Icarus - 0.83

Metal Gear Solid 3 - 0.17

Dead or Alive - 0.25

Tekken 3D - 0.09

Ace Combat - 0.10

These numbers aren't impressive. The PSP could achieve numbers like this now and its basically dead.

Like I said completely made it up, you named a bunch of games that dont sell on handhelds anyways and are ports. Try again, MH is a core game correct? Core games are doing fine on this handheld, its just on handheld isnt doing well at all.

MH is doing great in Japan, but an exception doesn't show the big picture.

MH did well on the Wii as well. But you can't tell me the Wii was great at moving core software.

Core software it never received yes? But the core titles it did, yea it wasnt as much of an failure as you guys claim.

I'm not debating how much of failure Wii was at moving core software. I was just explaining why your example was bad. A few successful core titles doesn't mean the hardware is great at moving core software.

I feel the west may not be as interested in playing core games on a handheld console as last gen.

And im debating you cant use games that did sell well for a handheld to judge the success of core titles on the 3DS. Do you even know what sells on handhelds? What are these core titles that sold well last gen?



PureDante on 05 September 2012

Pretty simple. Game looks like shit. And boring. And beta sucked. 

 

Of course, just my honest opinion.



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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Mr Puggsly on 06 September 2012
phenom08 said:

Do you even know what sells on handhelds? What are these core titles that sold well last gen?

Yeah, Mario.

Here is a list of PSP games that sold over a million units. There are casual games in there, but its also a lot of core.

I don't think the 3DS and Vita are going to do this well at moving core software.

1. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories 2005 Action Take-Two Interactive 2.82 2.69 0.23 1.68 7.41
2. Monster Hunter Freedom Unite 2008 Role-Playing Capcom 0.44 0.48 4.13 0.30 5.34
3. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 N/A Role-Playing Unknown 0.00 0.00 4.77 0.00 4.77
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories 2006 Action Take-Two Interactive 1.65 1.81 0.15 1.12 4.73
5. Daxter 2006 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 2.32 0.98 0.00 0.72 4.02
6. Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters 2007 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 1.37 1.33 0.10 0.83 3.63
7. Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition 2005 Racing Take-Two Interactive 1.61 1.18 0.00 0.77 3.56
8. God of War: Chains of Olympus 2008 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.44 0.97 0.04 0.64 3.09
9. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII 2007 Role-Playing Square Enix 1.27 0.55 0.80 0.41 3.03
10. Gran Turismo 2009 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 0.42 1.38 0.31 0.77 2.88
11. Tekken: Dark Resurrection 2006 Fighting Sony Computer Entertainment 0.76 1.05 0.12 0.63 2.57
12. Medal of Honor Heroes 2006 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.82 1.08 0.01 0.65 2.55
13. Monster Hunter Freedom 2 2007 Role-Playing Capcom 0.35 0.24 1.75 0.17 2.51
14. Need for Speed Carbon: Own the City 2006 Racing Electronic Arts 0.86 0.93 0.00 0.57 2.35
15. Dissidia: Final Fantasy 2008 Fighting Square Enix 0.48 0.47 0.91 0.29 2.16
16. LittleBigPlanet 2009 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 0.54 0.97 0.01 0.56 2.08
17. Call of Duty: Roads to Victory 2007 Shooter Activision 0.49 0.98 0.00 0.57 2.05
18. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2004 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 0.47 0.50 0.63 0.32 1.92
19. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 2010 Action Konami Digital Entertainment 0.40 0.34 0.96 0.21 1.90
20. Need for Speed: Most Wanted 5-1-0 2005 Racing Electronic Arts 1.71 0.03 0.02 0.14 1.90
21. Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.54 0.35 0.75 0.22 1.87
22. Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron 2007 Shooter LucasArts 0.88 0.43 0.00 0.30 1.61
23. Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines 2009 Action Ubisoft 0.38 0.68 0.05 0.39 1.49
24. Ridge Racer 2004 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 0.35 0.42 0.32 0.27 1.37
25. LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 2006 Action LucasArts 0.57 0.48 0.00 0.30 1.35
26. Sonic Rivals 2006 Racing Sega 0.72 0.37 0.00 0.26 1.35
27. Sega Genesis Collection 2006 Misc Sega 0.52 0.51 0.00 0.32 1.35
28. FIFA Soccer 08 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.20 0.75 0.00 0.38 1.33
29. FIFA Soccer 09 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 0.22 0.71 0.02 0.36 1.31
30. Monster Hunter Freedom 2005 Role-Playing Capcom 0.23 0.01 1.03 0.03 1.30
31. Sonic Rivals 2 2007 Racing Sega 0.44 0.54 0.00 0.32 1.30
32. Need for Speed Underground Rivals 2005 Racing Electronic Arts 0.68 0.36 0.02 0.23 1.29
33. The Sims 2 2005 Simulation Electronic Arts 0.46 0.50 0.00 0.31 1.27
34. World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 (JP & Others sales) 2005 Sports Konami Digital Entertainment 0.01 0.88 0.31 0.00 1.20
35. FIFA 07 Soccer 2006 Sports Electronic Arts 0.24 0.64 0.00 0.31 1.19
36. WWE SmackDown vs Raw 2008 2007 Fighting THQ 0.43 0.46 0.00 0.27 1.17
37. Star Wars Battlefront II 2005 Shooter LucasArts 1.02 0.02 0.01 0.08 1.13
38. LEGO Batman: The Videogame N/A Adventure Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.55 0.35 0.00 0.23 1.13
39. Cars 2006 Racing THQ 0.70 0.24 0.00 0.19 1.13
40. Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops 2006 Action Konami Digital Entertainment 0.36 0.23 0.38 0.16 1.12
41. FIFA Soccer 10 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 0.15 0.64 0.01 0.30 1.10
42. Lumines: Puzzle Fusion 2004 Puzzle Ubisoft 0.52 0.35 0.00 0.23 1.10
43. Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions 2007 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.42 0.22 0.30 0.15 1.10
44. LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 Adventure LucasArts 0.36 0.46 0.00 0.27 1.09
45. Medal of Honor Heroes 2 2007 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.47 0.37 0.02 0.24 1.09
46. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 2005 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.01 0.00 0.01 0.07 1.09
47. Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade 2005 Role-Playing Activision 0.53 0.32 0.01 0.22 1.07
48. World Tour Soccer 2005 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 0.10 0.62 0.00 0.34 1.06
49. Namco Museum Battle Collection 2005 Misc Sony Computer Entertainment 0.73 0.17 0.00 0.15 1.05
50. FIFA Soccer 11 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.11 0.60 0.01 0.32 1.05
51. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 2 2006 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 0.80 0.11 0.00 0.13 1.04
52. The Simpsons Game 2007 Platform Electronic Arts 0.21 0.50 0.00 0.28 1.00


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Galaki on 06 September 2012

Piracy killed the PSP just like how it killed the PS1 and PS2.



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Chark on 06 September 2012

Just pre-ordered it in full. Everyone should get this game and set up tournaments and plan events with friends. This should be a seminal title for PS3 and Vita owners. Let the battle commence!



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

phenom08 on 07 September 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
phenom08 said:

Do you even know what sells on handhelds? What are these core titles that sold well last gen?

Yeah, Mario.

Here is a list of PSP games that sold over a million units. There are casual games in there, but its also a lot of core.

I don't think the 3DS and Vita are going to do this well at moving core software.

1. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories 2005 Action Take-Two Interactive 2.82 2.69 0.23 1.68 7.41
2. Monster Hunter Freedom Unite 2008 Role-Playing Capcom 0.44 0.48 4.13 0.30 5.34
3. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 N/A Role-Playing Unknown 0.00 0.00 4.77 0.00 4.77
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories 2006 Action Take-Two Interactive 1.65 1.81 0.15 1.12 4.73
5. Daxter 2006 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 2.32 0.98 0.00 0.72 4.02
6. Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters 2007 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 1.37 1.33 0.10 0.83 3.63
7. Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition 2005 Racing Take-Two Interactive 1.61 1.18 0.00 0.77 3.56
8. God of War: Chains of Olympus 2008 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.44 0.97 0.04 0.64 3.09
9. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII 2007 Role-Playing Square Enix 1.27 0.55 0.80 0.41 3.03
10. Gran Turismo 2009 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 0.42 1.38 0.31 0.77 2.88
11. Tekken: Dark Resurrection 2006 Fighting Sony Computer Entertainment 0.76 1.05 0.12 0.63 2.57
12. Medal of Honor Heroes 2006 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.82 1.08 0.01 0.65 2.55
13. Monster Hunter Freedom 2 2007 Role-Playing Capcom 0.35 0.24 1.75 0.17 2.51
14. Need for Speed Carbon: Own the City 2006 Racing Electronic Arts 0.86 0.93 0.00 0.57 2.35
15. Dissidia: Final Fantasy 2008 Fighting Square Enix 0.48 0.47 0.91 0.29 2.16
16. LittleBigPlanet 2009 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 0.54 0.97 0.01 0.56 2.08
17. Call of Duty: Roads to Victory 2007 Shooter Activision 0.49 0.98 0.00 0.57 2.05
18. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2004 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 0.47 0.50 0.63 0.32 1.92
19. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 2010 Action Konami Digital Entertainment 0.40 0.34 0.96 0.21 1.90
20. Need for Speed: Most Wanted 5-1-0 2005 Racing Electronic Arts 1.71 0.03 0.02 0.14 1.90
21. Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.54 0.35 0.75 0.22 1.87
22. Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron 2007 Shooter LucasArts 0.88 0.43 0.00 0.30 1.61
23. Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines 2009 Action Ubisoft 0.38 0.68 0.05 0.39 1.49
24. Ridge Racer 2004 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 0.35 0.42 0.32 0.27 1.37
25. LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 2006 Action LucasArts 0.57 0.48 0.00 0.30 1.35
26. Sonic Rivals 2006 Racing Sega 0.72 0.37 0.00 0.26 1.35
27. Sega Genesis Collection 2006 Misc Sega 0.52 0.51 0.00 0.32 1.35
28. FIFA Soccer 08 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.20 0.75 0.00 0.38 1.33
29. FIFA Soccer 09 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 0.22 0.71 0.02 0.36 1.31
30. Monster Hunter Freedom 2005 Role-Playing Capcom 0.23 0.01 1.03 0.03 1.30
31. Sonic Rivals 2 2007 Racing Sega 0.44 0.54 0.00 0.32 1.30
32. Need for Speed Underground Rivals 2005 Racing Electronic Arts 0.68 0.36 0.02 0.23 1.29
33. The Sims 2 2005 Simulation Electronic Arts 0.46 0.50 0.00 0.31 1.27
34. World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 (JP & Others sales) 2005 Sports Konami Digital Entertainment 0.01 0.88 0.31 0.00 1.20
35. FIFA 07 Soccer 2006 Sports Electronic Arts 0.24 0.64 0.00 0.31 1.19
36. WWE SmackDown vs Raw 2008 2007 Fighting THQ 0.43 0.46 0.00 0.27 1.17
37. Star Wars Battlefront II 2005 Shooter LucasArts 1.02 0.02 0.01 0.08 1.13
38. LEGO Batman: The Videogame N/A Adventure Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.55 0.35 0.00 0.23 1.13
39. Cars 2006 Racing THQ 0.70 0.24 0.00 0.19 1.13
40. Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops 2006 Action Konami Digital Entertainment 0.36 0.23 0.38 0.16 1.12
41. FIFA Soccer 10 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 0.15 0.64 0.01 0.30 1.10
42. Lumines: Puzzle Fusion 2004 Puzzle Ubisoft 0.52 0.35 0.00 0.23 1.10
43. Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions 2007 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.42 0.22 0.30 0.15 1.10
44. LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 Adventure LucasArts 0.36 0.46 0.00 0.27 1.09
45. Medal of Honor Heroes 2 2007 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.47 0.37 0.02 0.24 1.09
46. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 2005 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.01 0.00 0.01 0.07 1.09
47. Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade 2005 Role-Playing Activision 0.53 0.32 0.01 0.22 1.07
48. World Tour Soccer 2005 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 0.10 0.62 0.00 0.34 1.06
49. Namco Museum Battle Collection 2005 Misc Sony Computer Entertainment 0.73 0.17 0.00 0.15 1.05
50. FIFA Soccer 11 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.11 0.60 0.01 0.32 1.05
51. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 2 2006 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 0.80 0.11 0.00 0.13 1.04
52. The Simpsons Game 2007 Platform Electronic Arts 0.21 0.50 0.00 0.28 1.00

Should have known you would become desperate sooner or later. GTA hasn't even released for the 3DS nor MH so what are you comparing those titles to on the 3DS. Did Resident Evil 5 underperform on the 360 and PS3 becasue GTA4 outsold it so much. Thats what you are pretty much saying by comparing much less known core titles on 3DS to those juggernalts on the PSP. Alot of those other titles are Sony titles, which Ninty titles have done just as well on the 3DS. Anyways atleast you answered the question of what sells on handhelds. Thats all that matters not if core titles that don't even do that well on handhelds will sell. GTA and MH is all you got, which is on its way to the 3DS and GTA has yet to show up this gen.



thehusbo on 07 September 2012

So looking forward to this game!!



Mr Puggsly on 08 September 2012
phenom08 said:

Should have known you would become desperate sooner or later. GTA hasn't even released for the 3DS nor MH so what are you comparing those titles to on the 3DS. Did Resident Evil 5 underperform on the 360 and PS3 becasue GTA4 outsold it so much. Thats what you are pretty much saying by comparing much less known core titles on 3DS to those juggernalts on the PSP. Alot of those other titles are Sony titles, which Ninty titles have done just as well on the 3DS. Anyways atleast you answered the question of what sells on handhelds. Thats all that matters not if core titles that don't even do that well on handhelds will sell. GTA and MH is all you got, which is on its way to the 3DS and GTA has yet to show up this gen.

You keep focusing on just a couple games. If I was just talking about GTA and MH I wouldn't have posted a list of 52 games. My point is there are a bunch of core games that sold over a million units on the PSP.

In case you don't recall, my argument was I don't believe the Vita or 3DS will be as successful at selling core games as last gen hand held consoles. It seems you now agree with me. Hence, I won this argument.



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Ganoncrotch on 08 September 2012

I think a massive thing to factor into the will it flop or not argument isn't just about the actual sales of PSASBR it is more about can they market this in a way that gets people to actually go out and pick up some Vitas, maybe we should see a vita bundle which comes with this game included for holiday season, I know you get the vita version free if you own a ps3 version of the game, but I mean just a way to rope in completely new people to the PSvita.

Even if the vita version of this sold .250k copies of it.... but they were all people buying vitas just to have a portable smash bros style experience, that would be this game doing absolute wonders for sony.



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