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haxxiy said:
neptune20 said:
Equal rights for everyone. Including women and gays. Except the conservative bigot of course.

There is too much hatred on your little heart.

What?



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neptune20 said:
NintendoPie said:
neptune20 said:
Equal rights for everyone. Including women and gays. Except the conservative bigot of course.

Everyone = everyone. Not a few groups that I like/support.

You don't say.

Well then you shouldn't have put everyone if you are going to exclude someone.

That would be just as bad as those "conservative bigots" excluding Gays from certain activities because they are Gay.



neptune20 said:
haxxiy said:
neptune20 said:
Equal rights for everyone. Including women and gays. Except the conservative bigot of course.

There is too much hatred on your little heart.

What?

Don't "what" me. I'm not inclined to continue a conversation if the interlocutor fails to convey any meaning from a sweeping remark or statement directly referencing his previous utterance. 



 

 

 

 

 

SamuelRSmith said:
RedInker said:
I would like to see the death penalty re introduced in the UK.

Personally, I'd like to see the entire penal system replaced with something that actually represents justice. Let the victims, or heirs of the victim, choose the punishment (within reason), and let the criminal offer to work to provide financial compensation to offset some of the punishment.

Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken or maybe it's just that some people have views I just can't undestand. Either way, the thing you're proposing is called 'revenge', not 'justice'.



Zkuq said:
SamuelRSmith said:
RedInker said:
I would like to see the death penalty re introduced in the UK.

Personally, I'd like to see the entire penal system replaced with something that actually represents justice. Let the victims, or heirs of the victim, choose the punishment (within reason), and let the criminal offer to work to provide financial compensation to offset some of the punishment.

Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken or maybe it's just that some people have views I just can't undestand. Either way, the thing you're proposing is called 'revenge', not 'justice'.


... As opposed to the current system, is that justice?

Justice is getting everything back that was taken from you. If somebody steals your coat, justice would be to return the coat, or a payment of equal value, plus additional payments to cover the loss of use over the period of theft. In essense, to make the person "whole" again, and fully return everything that was taken from them.

Why is it when the Government fines someone, the money of the fine never goes to the victims of the crime? How is that justice, and not arbituary punishment?



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SamuelRSmith said:
Zkuq said:
SamuelRSmith said:
RedInker said:
I would like to see the death penalty re introduced in the UK.

Personally, I'd like to see the entire penal system replaced with something that actually represents justice. Let the victims, or heirs of the victim, choose the punishment (within reason), and let the criminal offer to work to provide financial compensation to offset some of the punishment.

Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken or maybe it's just that some people have views I just can't undestand. Either way, the thing you're proposing is called 'revenge', not 'justice'.


... As opposed to the current system, is that justice?

Justice is getting everything back that was taken from you. If somebody steals your coat, justice would be to return the coat, or a payment of equal value, plus additional payments to cover the loss of use over the period of theft. In essense, to make the person "whole" again, and fully return everything that was taken from them.

Why is it when the Government fines someone, the money of the fine never goes to the victims of the crime? How is that justice, and not arbituary punishment?

I must admit I don't know much about the justice system in the US. Where I live, if there are victims, they can get money from the criminal. But anyway, your example is too simple for this matter, even though it makes sense. What about more serious crimes with harsher punishments? Surely people are so impulsive/emotional they would choose much harder punishments than what is reasonable, and if your "within reason" is still in the play, wouldn't it simply be appropriate to keep the current system but also allow the victim to make the punishment less harsh? I'm fairly sure the system has appropriate punishments already for most cases and for those that don't, well, it's something that can be fixed otherwise. Point is, no need to make the punishments harder at least, but that's exactly what would happen if you gave victims the choice.



SamuelRSmith said:


... As opposed to the current system, is that justice?

Justice is getting everything back that was taken from you. If somebody steals your coat, justice would be to return the coat, or a payment of equal value, plus additional payments to cover the loss of use over the period of theft. In essense, to make the person "whole" again, and fully return everything that was taken from them.

Why is it when the Government fines someone, the money of the fine never goes to the victims of the crime? How is that justice, and not arbituary punishment?

Actually it does. You commit an offense against society, you pay a fine that goes into the community fund.
How do you make someone whole again when any sort of violence is involved.



if you're living in your country, as in an English person living in England, you should have the right to not live amonst foreigners. land where foreigners are not allowed, so the people of their country can live in peace and not go extinct, and not feel alienated in their own country



Kantor said:
I'll give it a shot:

The government has no right to stop two consenting adults from getting married.

Any objections?

As long as they are forbiden to adopt children.

You don't make burgers out of fish, you don't make child out of two males. Simple as that.

 



FrancisNobleman said:
Kantor said:
I'll give it a shot:

The government has no right to stop two consenting adults from getting married.

Any objections?

As long as they are forbiden to adopt children.

You don't make burgers out of fish, you don't make child out of two males. Simple as that.

 

You also don't make a child out of one parent. Do you want to ban single parent adoptions too? What about custody of children by a single parent after divorce or death?



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