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hudsoniscool said:
BenVTrigger said:
HOLY fuck at Gears of War.....................there is no question any more, Gears is the heaviest hitting exclusive franchise other than Halo in NA if not worldwide. I even think Gears 3 has a great chance to surpass Gran Turismo in sales.


Everyone seeing strong pre-order numbers which is fantastic cause it looks like we are going to have a massive holiday in terms of sales which is both excellent for the industry and will make the forums hella exciting.

One note though, Vgchartz you are continueing to undertrack Halo CEA, I'm not quite sure why on this but its true.


Pre-orders have always been missleading. there always seam to be a few games that get tons of pre-orders but there fw is smaller than there pre-orders. remember mag. Sure i think gears 3 will do amazing 7-8 million seams possible but do i think it will do 8.5-9.5 million like gt5 or 10-11 million like reach no i do not.

Also ya i think they have CEA undertraked as well.


Gears 3 will CRUSH GT5 in sales in NA which is what I stated.  I said there's a chance it could outsell it WW but we'll have to see.

Gears of War 1 NA Sales :  3,694,180

Gears of War 2 NA Sales:  3,875,045

Gran Turismo 5 NA Sales:  1,744,914

Gear of War is only second to Halo in terms of largest exclusive games on HD consoles in NA  You also have to take into account the Gears numbers don't take into account Download sales which both games are offered in full for download on Xbox Live.  And GT5 is only sitting at 6,300,385 Worldwide.  I don't see it doing anything over 8 million honestly unless it gets HEAVILY bundled.  Gears 3 certainly has a chance of outselling it World Wide.



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ONE MIIIIIIIRION PREORDERS for Gears 3! :O



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nice numbers



yo_john117 said:
Week Halo Reach Gears of War 3 Net difference
26 3,959/50,777 30,053/238,422 26,094/187,645
25  8,179/58,956  27,618/266,040 19,439/207,084 
24 18,947/77,903  55,197/321,237  36,250/243,334 
23 13,015/90,918  59,594/380,831  46,579/289,913 
22 12,041/102,959  68,121/448,952  56,080/345,993 
21 17,885/120,844  65,971/514,923  48,086/394,079
20 31,619/152,463 59,496/574,419 27,877/421,956
19 19,315/171,778 59,730/634,149 40,415/462,371
18 33,137/204,915 90,029/724,178 56,892/519,263
17 35,189/240,104 53,758/777,936 18,569/537,832
16 30,222/270,326 41,722/819,658 11,500/549,332
15 28,359/298,685 54,794/874,452 26,435/575,767
14 25,899/324,584 44,319/918,771 18,420/594,187
13 25,038/349,622 83,843/1,002,614 58,805/652,992
12 34,437/384,059
11 55,319/439,378
10 38,051/477,429
9 50,884/528,313
8 118,699/647,012
7 126,340/773,352
6 139,346/912,698
5 158,668/1,071,366
4 183,640/1,255,006
3 203,984/1,458,990
2 232,354/1,691,344
1  300,735/1,992,079    

Was looking for this. Maybe Gears 3 can open bigger then Halo: Reach. If it holds 100k weekly, it will have 2.3 million pre-orders in Americas, and I think it can do better. I really hope it beats Black Ops combined PS3/360 pre-orders, but 2.7 million would be nuts! I think 2.5 million is plausible, which would make worldwide pre-orders between 3-3.5 million. That's double Gears 2 week 1 sales, and it's just pre-orders!

Also, what happened to BeyBlade? Was the game cancelled?



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BenVTrigger said:
hudsoniscool said:
BenVTrigger said:
HOLY fuck at Gears of War.....................there is no question any more, Gears is the heaviest hitting exclusive franchise other than Halo in NA if not worldwide. I even think Gears 3 has a great chance to surpass Gran Turismo in sales.


Everyone seeing strong pre-order numbers which is fantastic cause it looks like we are going to have a massive holiday in terms of sales which is both excellent for the industry and will make the forums hella exciting.

One note though, Vgchartz you are continueing to undertrack Halo CEA, I'm not quite sure why on this but its true.


Pre-orders have always been missleading. there always seam to be a few games that get tons of pre-orders but there fw is smaller than there pre-orders. remember mag. Sure i think gears 3 will do amazing 7-8 million seams possible but do i think it will do 8.5-9.5 million like gt5 or 10-11 million like reach no i do not.

Also ya i think they have CEA undertraked as well.


Gears 3 will CRUSH GT5 in sales in NA which is what I stated.  I said there's a chance it could outsell it WW but we'll have to see.

Gears of War 1 NA Sales :  3,694,180

Gears of War 2 NA Sales:  3,875,045

Gran Turismo 5 NA Sales:  1,744,914

Gear of War is only second to Halo in terms of largest exclusive games on HD consoles in NA  You also have to take into account the Gears numbers don't take into account Download sales which both games are offered in full for download on Xbox Live.  And GT5 is only sitting at 6,300,385 Worldwide.  I don't see it doing anything over 8 million honestly unless it gets HEAVILY bundled.  Gears 3 certainly has a chance of outselling it World Wide.

oh sorry i thought you were talking about world wide.  I dont see gears 3 doing anymore than 3 million fw ww, and that would put its LT at around 7.5 million which i think is very good. It wont do halo 3/reach numbers. gears isnt as big as halo it never has been. Its doing great though.

 i would think that halo ce would be at around 75k by now.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

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BenVTrigger said:
hudsoniscool said:
BenVTrigger said:
HOLY fuck at Gears of War.....................there is no question any more, Gears is the heaviest hitting exclusive franchise other than Halo in NA if not worldwide. I even think Gears 3 has a great chance to surpass Gran Turismo in sales.


Everyone seeing strong pre-order numbers which is fantastic cause it looks like we are going to have a massive holiday in terms of sales which is both excellent for the industry and will make the forums hella exciting.

One note though, Vgchartz you are continueing to undertrack Halo CEA, I'm not quite sure why on this but its true.


Pre-orders have always been missleading. there always seam to be a few games that get tons of pre-orders but there fw is smaller than there pre-orders. remember mag. Sure i think gears 3 will do amazing 7-8 million seams possible but do i think it will do 8.5-9.5 million like gt5 or 10-11 million like reach no i do not.

Also ya i think they have CEA undertraked as well.


Gears 3 will CRUSH GT5 in sales in NA which is what I stated.  I said there's a chance it could outsell it WW but we'll have to see.

Gears of War 1 NA Sales :  3,694,180

Gears of War 2 NA Sales:  3,875,045

Gran Turismo 5 NA Sales:  1,744,914

Gear of War is only second to Halo in terms of largest exclusive games on HD consoles in NA  You also have to take into account the Gears numbers don't take into account Download sales which both games are offered in full for download on Xbox Live.  And GT5 is only sitting at 6,300,385 Worldwide.  I don't see it doing anything over 8 million honestly unless it gets HEAVILY bundled.  Gears 3 certainly has a chance of outselling it World Wide.


^ For starters we an't know for sure if it's at 6.3 million because many people are complaing it's undertracked because by Dec 31st they shipped 6.4 million and they have sent new shipments a while ago so I'm guesiing it's at around 6.6 million. But Gran Turismo 5 will crush Gears of War 3 in Emmea sales. It will possibly almost tripple it if it hits 6 million over there and looking at the weekly sales over there it looks like it will do so. And BELIVE ME GT5 has great legs it will sell amazingly in the Holidays. It looks like  Gears 3 will have a bigger opening but that's about it. It just can't compete with GT5 legs. So I SAY...

Gears of War 3: 7.5-8 million

GT5: 9.5-11 million



gears of war 3 wont outsell grand turismo but it will come close

Gears 3 LT = 7.5mill

Grand turismo = 10.5mill

and also uncharted!!! you beast! 100k with what 20 weeks to go at this rate they will be at 400k and thats only thr 14k weekly gains which they will gain more i predict fw 1.2mill

and im surprised that halo CE is only at 33k maybe gears will overshadow halo and will end up putting an average total maybe 5mill LT?

or else this might prove that even though its halo its still outdated and since halo 4 is comming out they might wait for that?



I doubt GT5 is undertracked and if so probably not by too much, maybe 150k - 200k at most.

And some of you aren't taking into account digital downloads of Gears 1 and 2 which could be as much as 500k per game. Not to mention look at the jumps Halo did numbers wise as a series. Halo 2 sold 2 million more than Halo 1 and Halo 3 sold 3 million more than Halo 2.

Now I'm not saying Gears is as big as Halo cause as a franchise its never proven that BUT I do think Gears 3 is going to hit 8 million and here's my reasons.

1) NO other big MS excluisve to compete with this Holiday. Sure there's a Halo 1 remake which will sell great and all but thats not the same as thing as a brand new Halo. MS will have a MASSIVE advertising campaign to this game since its the gem of the exclusives for the 360 outside of Halo.

2) Its the conclusion of an Epic exclusive trilogy. This game is being hyped up as the end of Marcus, Dom, and the Rest of Delta squad. Look how much bigger the conslusion of the Halo trilogy was in comparison to the others.

3) Multiplayer that actually works and feels amazing. Gears 2 multiplayer now is awesome but the thing is it took several updates and over a year to fix it. Gears 3 from the Beta alone felt polished and amazing. As we all know multiplayer can have a HUGE effect on sales.

And similarly I don't see GT5 haveing that great of legs outside of the next couple months. I mean you have one of the most stacked holidays in the history of gameing coming not to mention next year looks jam packed as well. I just really don't see GT5 doing much over 8 million unless Sony start bundleing the hell out of it maybe 8.5 million MAX. Either way its going to be close and I'm not claiming Gears 3 WILL outsell it but it certainly stands a chance.



BenVTrigger said:
I doubt GT5 is undertracked and if so probably not by too much, maybe 150k - 200k at most.

And some of you aren't taking into account digital downloads of Gears 1 and 2 which could be as much as 500k per game. Not to mention look at the jumps Halo did numbers wise as a series. Halo 2 sold 2 million more than Halo 1 and Halo 3 sold 3 million more than Halo 2.

Now I'm not saying Gears is as big as Halo cause as a franchise its never proven that BUT I do think Gears 3 is going to hit 8 million and here's my reasons.

1) NO other big MS excluisve to compete with this Holiday. Sure there's a Halo 1 remake which will sell great and all but thats not the same as thing as a brand new Halo. MS will have a MASSIVE advertising campaign to this game since its the gem of the exclusives for the 360 outside of Halo.

2) Its the conclusion of an Epic exclusive trilogy. This game is being hyped up as the end of Marcus, Dom, and the Rest of Delta squad. Look how much bigger the conslusion of the Halo trilogy was in comparison to the others.

3) Multiplayer that actually works and feels amazing. Gears 2 multiplayer now is awesome but the thing is it took several updates and over a year to fix it. Gears 3 from the Beta alone felt polished and amazing. As we all know multiplayer can have a HUGE effect on sales.

And similarly I don't see GT5 haveing that great of legs outside of the next couple months. I mean you have one of the most stacked holidays in the history of gameing coming not to mention next year looks jam packed as well. I just really don't see GT5 doing much over 8 million unless Sony start bundleing the hell out of it maybe 8.5 million MAX. Either way its going to be close and I'm not claiming Gears 3 WILL outsell it but it certainly stands a chance.

When PD posted their Q1 shipments, GT5 was boosted by about 300k. However weekly sales were not adjusted, most of the boost corrected holiday sales.

A lot of people say GT5 is undertracked because the game only sells about 20-25k weekly, and unlike GT4, it struggles to remain on the EMEAA top 40, nevermind WW. People don't realize, GT5's sales were heavily frontloaded due to the holidays, after 8 weeks GT4 has been outselling GT5 on a weekly basis. However the difference in weekly sales now, is almost negligable. Where GT5 gets overall, who knows, GT has always had insane legs. I mean after 30 weeks, and GT4's EMEAA sales still added 3 million units, If GT5 does the same, it will come close, or maybe surpass 10 million.

Just give GT5 time, it's a slow grower.

As for Gears 3 hitting 8 million, I agree and I think that's a conservative estimate. Gears 2 week 1 sales were 1.95 million worldwide worldwide, with 1.3 million sales in Americas (or 65%). Gears 3 pre-rders are almost at those numbers 13 weeks prior to release, and it's actually looking like Gears 3 will have over 2 million Americas pre-orders. Using the sale ratio as Gears 2 week 1 sales, that means at launch worldwide pre-orders should be above 3 million. This is just pre-orders alone! Week 1 sales should easily be double Gears of War 2's. I find it hard that Gears 3 gets over 3x it's week 1 sales lifetime, and Gears 3 struggles to make 2x it's week 1 sales lifetime.

So sorry for budding in, but I agree with you on your debate. Gears 3 should get somewhere between 8-9 million lifetime sales, and GT5 should get between 9-10.5 million. The ranges overlap, that's pretty awesome for Gears.



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i dont think gears will get to 8 million there pre orders are high because they did the old im gonna release it already and chance the date trick which is really smart from m$ but gears has to compete with cod which will set it back massivly

end of this year ofcourse Pokemon will be the highest selling game

but out of the fall 2011 games it will go like this

1. Call of duty modern warfare 3 [xbox 360]
2. Call of duty modern warfare 3 [playstation 3]
3. Gears of war 3
4. Uncharted 3
5. Battlefield 3 [xbox 360]
6. Battlefield 3 [playstation 3]
7. Assasins creed Revalations [playstation 3]
8. Assasins creed Revalations [xbox 360]
9. Halo CE
10. Batman [playstation 3]