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Slimebeast said:
V-r0cK said:
KingFate said:
Well if a games goes greatest hits, I think it's safe to say they made a profit.

That's what I was thinking as well. 

I'd take Heavenly Sword for example; it's one of PS3's eariliest games and yet it's still full price at retailers (at least in Canada) because Ninja Theory still hasn't made profit.

Not true. There's no connection like that. They don't drop price just because a game broke even.

Not saying they're automatically going to drop the price once they break even or else MW wouldve been cheap after day 1 lol.  Im just saying for Heavenly Sword's reason for still being at full price to this day is because Ninja Theory still hasnt break even though.  Forgot where i read that article, but its just one way to notice if a game broke even.  Doesnt mean it's going to happen to every game though nor all devs follow that routine.



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CGI-Quality said:
Sony did expect MGS4-like numbers: http://www.vg247.com/2009/01/07/sony-expects-killzone-2-to-fair-better-than-mgs4/

It underperformed in sales, so perhaps it didn't rake in as much profit as desired.


http://v4vg.com/killzone-2-expected-to-sell-moreequal-than-metal-gear-solid-4/

???

Isn't that the "inside source that shall remain nameless"

Either way your source sources a source that no longer exists. As this source (http://www.destructoid.com/sony-confirmed-as-killzone-fanboys-thinks-game-will-fare-better-than-mgs4-117207.phtml) sources your source.



letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
Sony did expect MGS4-like numbers: http://www.vg247.com/2009/01/07/sony-expects-killzone-2-to-fair-better-than-mgs4/

It underperformed in sales, so perhaps it didn't rake in as much profit as desired.


http://v4vg.com/killzone-2-expected-to-sell-moreequal-than-metal-gear-solid-4/

???

Isn't that the "inside source that shall remain nameless"

Either way your source sources a source that no longer exists.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4402.html

http://www.psu.com/news/6009

http://kotaku.com/5125964/sony-expects-metal-gear-solid-4-type-sales-from-killzone-2

Plenty of sources received the same info. Sony expected bigger numbers, bottomline. They didn't achieve it. It happens.



                                                                                                                                            

It underperformed in sales for sure

but they EASILY profited!



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V-r0cK said:
Slimebeast said:
V-r0cK said:
KingFate said:
Well if a games goes greatest hits, I think it's safe to say they made a profit.

That's what I was thinking as well. 

I'd take Heavenly Sword for example; it's one of PS3's eariliest games and yet it's still full price at retailers (at least in Canada) because Ninja Theory still hasn't made profit.

Not true. There's no connection like that. They don't drop price just because a game broke even.

Not saying they're automatically going to drop the price once they break even or else MW wouldve been cheap after day 1 lol.  Im just saying for Heavenly Sword's reason for still being at full price to this day is because Ninja Theory still hasnt break even though.  Forgot where i read that article, but its just one way to notice if a game broke even.  Doesnt mean it's going to happen to every game though nor all devs follow that routine.

lol

I think there's some truth to what your saying, that it sometimes can be a sign if a game broke even or not. But Im almost ready to say that it's the other way around  - all these games that you see hit the bargain bins quickly are usually failures and didn't meet sales estimates and therefore didn't make profit (Unreal Tournament 3, Prince of Persia, Alone in the Dark, Stranglehold, Haze, Mirrors Edge etc). While a profitable game keeps it's launch price for a longer time (Blizzard and Bethesda games come to mind).



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it did have a massive budget but i believe sony footed the bill to have a halo counter.



CGI-Quality said:
letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
Sony did expect MGS4-like numbers: http://www.vg247.com/2009/01/07/sony-expects-killzone-2-to-fair-better-than-mgs4/

It underperformed in sales, so perhaps it didn't rake in as much profit as desired.


http://v4vg.com/killzone-2-expected-to-sell-moreequal-than-metal-gear-solid-4/

???

Isn't that the "inside source that shall remain nameless"

Either way your source sources a source that no longer exists.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4402.html

http://www.psu.com/news/6009

http://kotaku.com/5125964/sony-expects-metal-gear-solid-4-type-sales-from-killzone-2

Plenty of sources received the same info. Sony expected bigger numbers, bottomline. They didn't achieve it. It happens.


"V For Video Games recently spoke to a Sony representative who says they fully expect Guerilla's hugely anticipated title to eclipse the sales mark of MGS4"

"Speaking to V for Video Games, a Sony spokesperson had the following to say on the situation"

"An unnamed and unconfirmed Sony employee reportedly told game site V For Video Games"

Trust me. Its more than likely sony expected it to perform more like KZ than MGS4.

This is exactly like the "60 million budget" crap. Surfer Girl bloged it and all the "news" sites reported it and sourced her or another site who sourced her. Just because you are using a published source doesn't mean its true. If I publish "Obama was assissinated earlier this morning" and everyone starts sourceing me doesn't mean shit no matter how many people republish it.



letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
Sony did expect MGS4-like numbers: http://www.vg247.com/2009/01/07/sony-expects-killzone-2-to-fair-better-than-mgs4/

It underperformed in sales, so perhaps it didn't rake in as much profit as desired.


http://v4vg.com/killzone-2-expected-to-sell-moreequal-than-metal-gear-solid-4/

???

Isn't that the "inside source that shall remain nameless"

Either way your source sources a source that no longer exists.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4402.html

http://www.psu.com/news/6009

http://kotaku.com/5125964/sony-expects-metal-gear-solid-4-type-sales-from-killzone-2

Plenty of sources received the same info. Sony expected bigger numbers, bottomline. They didn't achieve it. It happens.


"V For Video Games recently spoke to a Sony representative who says they fully expect Guerilla's hugely anticipated title to eclipse the sales mark of MGS4"

"Speaking to V for Video Games, a Sony spokesperson had the following to say on the situation"

"An unnamed and unconfirmed Sony employee reportedly told game site V For Video Games"

I'm curious, are you arguing that Sony didn't expect higher? Are you saying Killzone 2 met sales expectations? If so, have a source to prove it?

If not, just accept the reality. The game underperformed, no two ways about it. That's not to take anything from it, it's still one of the better FPS games to play this gen, IMO. But that didn't turn into the success that was expected of it.

Now on the issue of profit, I have no doubt that it did. I just don't believe that it brought in what they wanted.



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
letsdance said:
CGI-Quality said:
Sony did expect MGS4-like numbers: http://www.vg247.com/2009/01/07/sony-expects-killzone-2-to-fair-better-than-mgs4/

It underperformed in sales, so perhaps it didn't rake in as much profit as desired.


http://v4vg.com/killzone-2-expected-to-sell-moreequal-than-metal-gear-solid-4/

???

Isn't that the "inside source that shall remain nameless"

Either way your source sources a source that no longer exists.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4402.html

http://www.psu.com/news/6009

http://kotaku.com/5125964/sony-expects-metal-gear-solid-4-type-sales-from-killzone-2

Plenty of sources received the same info. Sony expected bigger numbers, bottomline. They didn't achieve it. It happens.


"V For Video Games recently spoke to a Sony representative who says they fully expect Guerilla's hugely anticipated title to eclipse the sales mark of MGS4"

"Speaking to V for Video Games, a Sony spokesperson had the following to say on the situation"

"An unnamed and unconfirmed Sony employee reportedly told game site V For Video Games"

I'm curious, are you arguing that Sony didn't expect higher? Are you saying Killzone 2 met sales expectations? If so, have a source to prove it?

If not, just accept the reality. The game underperformed, no two ways about it. That's not to take anything from it, it's still one of the better FPS games to play this gen, IMO. But that didn't turn into the success that was expected of it.

Now on the issue of profit, I have no doubt that it did. I just don't believe that it brought in what they wanted.

I remember sony saying they were pleased with KZ2 sales after NPD report came out. Accept reality? Is sourcing an unreliable source who sources an "unamed" and "unconfirmed" source reality? Reality says Sony is a business and business don't look at other games with a high fanbase outside of the genre of game they are making and expect the same from a game that sold 2 million on its first attempt.

Sony would be looking at the HAZES, Resistances, previous Killzones, and the likes. I've been working at Target and I just asked the store manager how they come to their forcasts. She told me they look at their sales from the previous year and compare them to recent sales trends. That was the same exact way I came up with my forcasts when I ran little caesars and same exact way Toys R Us did it.



2.2m units sold before the price drop. 2.26m sold is $2,200,000,000 (roughly).