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MRFENIX said:
cAPSLOCK said:
Simulacrum said:
 

Wiis whole idea was its unique controls?Thats why I always wonder why would someone buy GC or Classic Controllers.

 ...to play classic and gamecube games. I know, it's crazy.

 

Also, to answer this question: Nintendo is the only developer talented enough to make games worth buying for the system.  Let's face it--Nintendo, Valve, and Blizzard are the best developers in the world, and after those 3 there's a HUUUUUUUUUGE dropoff.

I'm talking

Socrates - Nintendo

Plato - Blizzard

Aristotle - Valve

(God - Carmack)

Crazy Louis who shits his pants and sings "I'm a little teapot" in the 7-11 parking lot - Everyone else

 

So think about it: there you are, pants shitting crazy, singing your head off. Do you try for a new song, or do you keep singing "I'm a little teapot" only this time in HI DEF sound? Well if you're an untalented piece of shit you keep showing em that handle and spout.

Oh man. Thanks for sharing your personal opinion about this!

Yeah man it's not like I can't back it up sales figures because all of those totally awesome PS360 games have sold 20 million + OH WAIT



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jammy2211 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So you think Capcom, a company who have ALREADY ported RE4, RE3, RE2 and a few other RE games to the Wii, are sitting on the 5.5 million seller RE5, but haven't ported it to the Wii because er, sometimes companies do things that won't make them money?"

But they are backing down from that stance. Before, it wasn't handling the title screen, now it's just that it would be hard to do. So your claim of it not being possible isn't even backed up by them.

Also the fact that they changed their stance means either they were deliberately holding out on the Wii, or were just being dumb (since they clearly had people working on the Wii to know what it could do).

"It is possible to go down the Dead Rising route and 'remake' the game from the ground up (Or using the RE4 engine lol), but we all saw what happened there."

No, because you think RE5 is comparable to Dead Rising by the context of this comment.

"Your current suggestion is that every single gaming company in the world could put their already multiplatform games on the Wii, but don't,"

Note you wrote "could". You are claiming none can. I've seen 6th gen and 7th gen games, and I know I'm at least closer to correct than you are.

 They've not backed down on that stance, because RE5 still isn't announced on the Wii :/. I don't believe Capcom have said a RE5 port is possible, just that it would be possible to put RE5 on Wii in some form (Which I have never said wasn't possible, just that a port isn't possible). 

 Dead Rising was just my analogy to what has happened when a company has tried to go down the non-port route.

 I think my claim, that it's not possible for a company to port a HD-developed game on to the Wii, is a lot more realistic then yours, that they could do it but don't for some unknown reason like 'companies are stupid'. I'm assuming neither of us have the technical know how to explain whether it is or isn't possible, but a quick google search can link me to a ton of interviews backing up my claims, whereas yours just seems nonsensual.

 I used the words put and port a bit too interchangeably I think :/.

Well this guy super_machine said it best:

"The part that becomes more difficult is figuring out how they would make it work on wii. Saying you can get some nice lighting effects on wii and saying that means RE5 could be possible on the wii is totally different.  First off, the game engine would need to be optimized to deal with the wiis slower CPU and less memory. Then you have to de-res all your textures. Any shaders that use ray tracing would be history. Then you have to rebuild all your 3D assets ( character models, objects, and environments) with lower polygons because the wii cannot render the same amount of polys in game without being un playable. To make RE:5 on wii would mean a total re-build of the game, quite different than the Re4 wii make. I doubt capcom would put the time and money like that into developing this game for a system that sees diminishing returns on mature rated titles."



Make games, not war (that goes for ridiculous fanboys)

I may be the next Maelstorm or not, you be the judge http://videogamesgrow.blogspot.com/  hopefully I can be more of an asset than a fanboy to VGC hehe.

" They've not backed down on that stance, because RE5 still isn't announced on the Wii :/. I don't believe Capcom have said a RE5 port is possible, just that it would be possible to put RE5 on Wii in some form (Which I have never said wasn't possible, just that a port isn't possible)."

"I only really see that as a bit of marketing spin"

Liar. You're just claiming that because it's what you don't want to hear. HD is not some magical barrier that makes the games beyond what SD systems can do (save for very few, which I doubt you even know what they are). HD is just a way to make games more expensive and so that developers can pretend they're being moviemakers instead of game developers.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

cAPSLOCK said:
MRFENIX said:
cAPSLOCK said:
Simulacrum said:
 

Wiis whole idea was its unique controls?Thats why I always wonder why would someone buy GC or Classic Controllers.

 ...to play classic and gamecube games. I know, it's crazy.

 

Also, to answer this question: Nintendo is the only developer talented enough to make games worth buying for the system.  Let's face it--Nintendo, Valve, and Blizzard are the best developers in the world, and after those 3 there's a HUUUUUUUUUGE dropoff.

I'm talking

Socrates - Nintendo

Plato - Blizzard

Aristotle - Valve

(God - Carmack)

Crazy Louis who shits his pants and sings "I'm a little teapot" in the 7-11 parking lot - Everyone else

 

So think about it: there you are, pants shitting crazy, singing your head off. Do you try for a new song, or do you keep singing "I'm a little teapot" only this time in HI DEF sound? Well if you're an untalented piece of shit you keep showing em that handle and spout.

Oh man. Thanks for sharing your personal opinion about this!

Yeah man it's not like I can't back it up sales figures because all of those totally awesome PS360 games have sold 20 million + OH WAIT

If sales figures are the end all, then by that logic Wii Sports is the greatest game ever made along with Super Mario Bros. 1. By that same token Ocarina of Time is a mediocre game, so is Uncharted 2, KZ2, Demon's Souls, VC sucks along with any game in the Final Fantasy.....Oh Wait



Make games, not war (that goes for ridiculous fanboys)

I may be the next Maelstorm or not, you be the judge http://videogamesgrow.blogspot.com/  hopefully I can be more of an asset than a fanboy to VGC hehe.

LordTheNightKnight said:
" They've not backed down on that stance, because RE5 still isn't announced on the Wii :/. I don't believe Capcom have said a RE5 port is possible, just that it would be possible to put RE5 on Wii in some form (Which I have never said wasn't possible, just that a port isn't possible)."

"I only really see that as a bit of marketing spin"

Liar. You're just claiming that because it's what you don't want to hear. HD is not some magical barrier that makes the games beyond what SD systems can do (save for very few, which I doubt you even know what they are). HD is just a way to make games more expensive and so that developers can pretend they're being moviemakers instead of game developers.

 Explain to me where Capcom have said it's possible to port RE5 to the Wii? Nowhere, urgh.

 The fact that no one puts their PS360 games on the Wii is enough proof that it's not technically possible to port them. To put them on the console in some form would involve the whole 'Dead Rising' style rebuild (Which Capcom are imo refering to in that one quote), which isn't an appealing route to go down for numerous reasons.

 You've continually taken what I've said out of context and tried to spin it into something I'm not saying. All I've said from the start is that porting a game from a HD console to the Wii isn't possible - as the topic asking was asking why those games hadn't been ported. I base this simply on what developers from various companies have said time and time again, whereas your counter argument was built on the idea that 'companies are stupid'.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
" They've not backed down on that stance, because RE5 still isn't announced on the Wii :/. I don't believe Capcom have said a RE5 port is possible, just that it would be possible to put RE5 on Wii in some form (Which I have never said wasn't possible, just that a port isn't possible)."

"I only really see that as a bit of marketing spin"

Liar. You're just claiming that because it's what you don't want to hear. HD is not some magical barrier that makes the games beyond what SD systems can do (save for very few, which I doubt you even know what they are). HD is just a way to make games more expensive and so that developers can pretend they're being moviemakers instead of game developers.

Uhhh it's very simple, Wii's graphics card is inferior to the HD twins in every way, the CPU is lower and it has less memory, so what is hard to understand about that? It's like saying a Pentium 4 processor could play Crysis and look the same as a Quad core's settings, minus the HD (provided you have a video card that has it which most higher end ones do). Wii can produce ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can come close to what Uncharted 2, Gears of War 2 or KZ2 offer. Hell Halo 3's old engine still looks better than any Wii title and it's only a 640p if I remember right. I know you're part of the Wii defense force but seriously calm down, noone is taking away the fact that Wii has some quality titles.



Make games, not war (that goes for ridiculous fanboys)

I may be the next Maelstorm or not, you be the judge http://videogamesgrow.blogspot.com/  hopefully I can be more of an asset than a fanboy to VGC hehe.

"If sales figures are the end all, then by that logic Wii Sports is the greatest game ever made along with Super Mario Bros. 1. By that same token Ocarina of Time is a mediocre game, so is Uncharted 2, KZ2, Demon's Souls, VC sucks along with any game in the Final Fantasy.....Oh Wait"

Wii Sports is a better pick up and play game than almost all the games you listed (save for VC, which is not one game, and you can't compare a bundled game with a service (wireless internet) that isn't bundled).

Not to knock those games, but in terms of being pure games, Wii Sports has them all beat. None of the cinematics or showcase scenes. It's nothing but gameplay.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

the hardware and software to make games cost money, don't forget that everyone expected the Wii to be an EPIC FAIL
3rd party developers prepared for 360 and PS3 from the start. and when you consider that developing for 360 and PS3
is the same ( until you have to program it to the system ) in a way it's cheaper



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"Uhhh it's very simple, Wii's graphics card is inferior to the HD twins in every way, the CPU is lower and it has less memory, so what is hard to understand about that?"

Capcom said the game was possible. That user twisted their words to deny it. How do the specs come into this, unless you are doubting the developer's word as well?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

demonfox13 said:

If sales figures are the end all, then by that logic Wii Sports is the greatest game ever made along with Super Mario Bros. 1. By that same token Ocarina of Time is a mediocre game, so is Uncharted 2, KZ2, Demon's Souls, VC sucks along with any game in the Final Fantasy.....Oh Wait

Yes, sales figures are the be all end all.

That means, rather than sitting in a little nerd circle jerking it to HD GARFIX someone got in their car, went to the store, pulled out their hard earned cash and purchased said game.  We're not talking hamburgers here, we're talking games that cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $50.

And yes, both Wii Sports and Super Mario Bros do sit on a very short list of games that'll go down in history.  Whether you like it or not WiiSports opened a door to a lot of people who previously didn't game, something your precious Final Fantasy has never and will never do.  It's like selling a dildo to a nun--a miracle.

As far as Super Mario Bros 1, go hum the theme in a store and see how many people join in. More than you think, I've done it.