This thread has recently become very interesting. I'll get my popcorn.

Good for you, you just reached douchebag status. You aren't able to post a good counter-argument, so you resort to insults.

Please refute the fact that:

- Call of Duty 4 dominated Steam, D2D and Retail Top Charts for months
- Stalker didn't perform anywhere near COD4 in top charts, but still sold over 2 millions
- Crysis didn't perform anywhere near COD4 in top charts, but still sold 1.5 million in it's first six months

How, exactly, does it cost $40 to burn a BR disc? You can get them for well under $4. Are we counting in electricity, Internet, and hardware costs as well, or something? If it's $40 to burn a BR is it $5 to burn a DVD?

Seriously, where are you pulling this number from? I just typed "blu ray burnable disc" into Google and one of the first things I saw was an offer for 25 BR discs for $29. Even if you were looking at the more expensive dual layer BR discs it only takes a quick look at Newegg to see that those are available for under $20. And on top of that, you'd only need 2 of them since the only games that big on the PS3 are MGS4 and FF13.

Seriously, no unnecessary attacks like that other guy, you don't seem to know much of what you're talking about stage. You're just plain dead wrong on the facts, and as such there's simply no justification for your belief. BR burning is not that expensive, hasn't been for quite some time now, and the fact that hacking console hardware can make you some serious money makes it unlikely that the costs were ever an issue to begin with. It's the security that PS3 has, plain and simple. The fact that there's an entire processor that functions as a security measure and nothing else should speak to that.

The removal of DS had nothing to do with MW2 being pirated over 4 million times since launch, imo. It would have been pirated that much anyway, and imo, I think it would probably have been pirated much more, had more PC gamers actually had an interest in it.

Piracy isn't something PC gamers do to take revenge on developers who make bad games. It's just something a lot of PC gamers do, period. Not all, but obviously enough where developers should take notice.

I don't mean for this to sound preachy, but either way, I pay for my games, and I'm never glad when ANY game is pirated, and imho, neither should anyone be. Pirates aren't special. They shouldn't be able to play a game for free before launch, that millions of us paid 60 dollars for just because they decided that no one can stop them from doing it, and the developer "deserves" to be stolen from. It is not a form of civil disobediance, it is outright criminal, and certainly accepting it here, leads you down a slippery slope. Paying for things, like them or not, is what makes society work. When you don't pay for things, because you don't like them, YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THEM FOR FREE. That logic is completely nonsensical.

If I hate a McFish, can I just go steal one for free, and even though I stole it, do I still have the right to complain about how much it sucks? That is spoiled, illegal, selfish, amoral, and arrogant all at the same time, and it is exactly why I despise the justifications for it.

I hope the game industry puts an end to this sooner rather than later. You wanna talk loss of PC game features? Just how loud are the screams gonna rise when Activision does away with piracy next time, a primary staple of PC gaming, and MUCH more popular than DS ever were.

Quoting myself from another topic:

I for one am REALLY REALLY happy with the MW2 numbers. Serves those idiots at Activision right. I certainly hope it got pirated more than it sold on the PC.



Before anyone says "ZOMG PC PIRACY!!111eleven" notice that all top 5 of the games on the PC sucked the big one hard, except maybe the Sims, which probably sold more than Thriller....

Not surprising. Although some people who boycott games do end up buying them anyway (see: L4D2 and MW2), I bet a lot of them torrent as a way of getting the game while simultaneously flipping the bird to the developer.

Your quote is BULLSHIT. Why is it that the top 5 games are shit? Outside of the Sims, which probably sold so much that it's not even funny?

Removeal of DS really had everything to do with it. It's sort of a "fuck you activision," also the fact that you can actually hack and get far far moe features, like the console, up on a hacked version over the retail also helped it out a bit.

I also laugh at your McFish argument, or any argument equating piracy and tangible material theft.

I'll leave you with these 2 links to think about. Please don't respond without reading them:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090219/1124433835.shtml

and now Blizzard:

http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/204/starcraft-ii-developers-talk-single-player/2     (it's the 2nd to last question on that page)

So let me get this straight, the top 2 PC games developers somehow MAGICALLY avoid this piracy thing. But oh no, the developers who release shit on the PC must be right! OBVIOUSLY!

P.S. Even twesterm backed out of this thread: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=95410&page=1 you should just do the same.

That is far from the truth...

Blank writable Blu Ray cost around 1$ in Japan and 3$ on NewEgg......

You are the one that know nothing of what you are talking...

Just providing the entire charts. Would be nice if you edit them in your OP.

I guess this would be a good time to point out that those torrent numbers don't include private trackers.