PS3 it has atleast one giant system seller an this is GT5 and they can counter every good game for the 360. Plus 360 wont reach the peak year of 2008 again because this is not usual normally a console peaks once and never again.

And 2010 will be PS3s peak year because its the first year with 299 Dollar price a probable pricecut in fall. And the biggest Titels and (console) exclusives FFXIV GT5 GOW3 and unique games like MAG and heavy rain. i see the PS3 crossing 50million before the 360.

360 will make it 1st if natal breaks through and ps3 if natal flops

Natal the big hope lol, casual controls on the most hardcore console.

Is it really so hard to see that Natal is just a big experiment ? they are trying out if "natal" can possibly be the main controls on their next console.

Unless is see Halo and Gears with Natal only controls, it tells me they aren't all that serious about it THIS gen.

Pristine isn't a 360 supporter, so I hope you weren't quoting him as counting on "natal" as the big hope.

Your views on natal not withstanding, I'd pick the 360 to hit first.  PRICE drives this bandwagon IMO, and I think that MS is just milking profits right now before they announce the next price cut, spiking sales in the other direction in America/Others (Japan is a lost cause).

Price does drive it, but depands on how big the price cut is.  Once at $200 price cuts tend to be small.

MS will HAVE to cut price in Europe just to survive, GT5 will destroy it unless they cut price.  A MS price cut in Europe will maintain what is happening there right now.  It wont Swing Europa in MS favor.  Not with GT5 coming. 

I'm not so sure that there are a ton of people just waiting for GT5 to come out, to buy a PS3.  IMO system selling games, released years after the debut of a system will cause a brief spike in sales, but not have a marked long-term effect.  That being said, the 360 is losing the value battle in the minds of "others" as it is: I agree that they need to make a price movement there.

I also agree that any price movement made will not be as extreme as the recent PS3 slim launch, and therefor will have nowhere near as large as an effect.

However (again IMO) if they battle to a virtual draw in "others" with a price cut, the losses in Japan will be basically offset by the gains in America, and therefore, the 360 will hit the 50M mark before the PS3.  All conjecture of course, but at least I've supported it with my opinion/analysis.

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We simply dunno whether natal is going to succeed or fail...Speculation leads to pointless arguments

360.Natal=a whole lot more sales

There are, they arent gamers they are car fanatics.  You wont find them here you will find them on car forums.

360 is losing the value battle in NA also, sales are way to close given the price disparity.  Others is nearing lost.  And Japan will wipe out the early launch lead 360 gained.

I'm going against the odds and say ps3.