@vanatos

I already said that you don't find grinding fun, yet you continue to overlap it to everyone else ;)

Please show me people saying that grinding is bad, or better, let's wait until someone else responds to our debate in this particular point. You say that it's pretty much agreed by everyone, but so far, you're only giving your personal reasons. At least i'm saying that I consider grinding fun, and leave it at that ;)

So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?

So far, the only factual rational reason you gave for your dislike of FF was "Final Fantasy has always failed to achieve this, 99% of encounters can be won with the exact same spamming attack, 99% of encounters can be won regardless of what choice you make (whether using the ATTACK, FIRE MAGIC, ICE MAGIC, THROW, SUMMON etc)." yet you failed to realise that almost all RPG games fall into that pattern sooner or later.

Hey, I never said that you should leave the thread nor do I say that I only tolerate praise for FFXIII, I only adressed the usual complains that FFXIII is getting which I think are a bit unfair, as do other members in this site ;)

You may give FF praise or criticism, I already posted this to you, no need to repost it again, what I said on my first reply to you, was that with your attitude you came here looking for trouble, which your next posts already shown to be true.

Notice how other another member of this site already pointed out how insulting your post was? You may continue to use this line of reasoning, as for me I really don't care if you call me a fanboy or not, but as the rule state, that's an offense in this site, so probably you'll get in trouble if a mod sees this thread, but be that as you may ;)

I've been following alot of the online blogs and stuff, and yet again, it seems like this is just another Final Fantasy that completely rewrites itself. This means some will love it, some will hate it, that's inevitable when you change so much about the game.

What I've gathered is that it's going to boil down to whether the linearity will hurt your experience or not, as alot of the game is simply a matter of walking down a path, fighting monsters, watching a cut scene, fighting a boss, probs have another cut scene and rinse and repeat. In my opinion this isn't very different to ANY (post FFVI, excluding FFXII) Final Fantasy's opening half or so - just they made an effort to give you the placebo of having freedom.

General impressions are it's completely love hate, I think for me it's now at the stage where I'm not going to know until I play the thing. In terms of side quests the only thing I've read about is a mission based hunt thing similiar to FFXII's. I've heard some of the hunts get harder then the final boss of the game though, which does excite me, especially as this isn't supposed to be an easy FF game anyway.

I just hope there is more side quests then mission hunt things, it would sort of seem a bit of a step backwards otherwise :/.

@jammy2211

I agree with you, the lack of side-quests that most people are posting is clearly disturbing. The hunts do look great, and will allow you to fight some insanely hard monsters (Especially the Omega Weapon version of this game, as I've read on a forum), but if it's the only side-quest, it's a bit dissapointing.

- Do you really need to be shown that grinding is bad? that it is considered not fun?

- Where did i say FFXIII sucks or that FF is crap? didnt i state pretty clearly that FF6 is my favourite FF and ive played it 10 times despite the fact i think its gameplay isnt good? didnt i state that FFXIII cinematics to me could make the game good, regardless of its deficiencies of gameplay?

Criticising a specific part of a game!= thinking the game sucks

But the attitude you display actually implies you think that if someone believes a game is good, they must accept every aspect of it as good, which is clearly not rationale.

- I dont care if 'most rpgs' contain the same bad elements, this does not make it more acceptable or somehow 'good', in fact i think cmpanies should try even harder to 'break the mold' so to speak, rather then doing these same bad designs purely because everyone else is doing it.

- You didnt state i was 'looking for trouble' your quite clear that my simple criticism of FFXII is considered 'unwanted' and you wanted me out of the thread for that reason, and that 'shows what you know' comment by you to me, you really have no basis to state anyones insulting anyone else do you?

It seems to me you want to blow this issue up to sidetrack a discussion on FFXIII, id rather not continue discussing this 'you said this to me' stuff myself.

Yes, it is. Who would/can invest that much time just to get to the good stuff.

That's like seeing one poor season of a show to get to an awesome second season. 

Damm all these reviews are putting me off this game now. I will still try it, from rental, canceling my pre-order, that way if I like it I will buy it after renting lol.

@vanatos

By all means, please do, as i'm rather enjoying this argument ;).

When did I also said that in order to agree that a game is good you must accept that every aspect of it is good? I don't even do that for my favourite game, Lufia 2, why should I do that for any FF game? xD

Look, i'm sorry if I took your words out of context, yet you didn't use the proper context for it, and it wasn't me the only who noticed it, I don't care if you think that only you and yourself are right, but at least have the dignity to understand that you weren't right as well ;)

Oh, and were did I ever said that you shouldn't criticize FFXIII or you were doing something wrong if you critiziced FFXIII? Do you even read what I post? :P

I might have been a bit abrasiven my first post on this thread, but it's because i'm a bit tired about people (in this forum and those who haven't played the game yet, I made that perfectly clear, don't even try to dismiss that) complaining about a game which they haven't even tried out yet, but I never targeted anyone saying that they were wrong and I never insulted anyone, you may want to stop that line of reasoning right there ;)

I see that you're trying to do reverse physicology here and try to pin this out on me, and I give you points for effort, but that doesn't work with me :)

It's kinda funny really. we should trust every positive review of this game but god forbid that someone says anything negative about this game... suddenly they are not trusted whatsoever... talk about double standards....

from your last post it seems you think i believe FF is crap and FFXII sucks, as a general thing 'So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?' however ive made it quite clear FF6 is my favourite FF even though i think its gameplay is bad, and in general i think gameplay in FF isn't good purely because of its random-encounter-repetitive-nonengaging-kill-normal-enemies-easily-with-just-attack-command'.

I apologise too if i was too aggressive.

I dont really believe you enjoy grinding in games, nor do i believe anyone, in general, enjoys grinding, you stated numerous times as some kind of counter-argument that jrpg's are all like that, it seems to me this is a type of argument that is telling someone 'you just gotta accept it' and it seems you would say this if your 'resigned' to it rather then enjoying it.

I believe that many JRPG's that are turn-based, fail in their design in that it becomes boring and repetitive because normal enemies, consisting of the very large majority of encounters (therefore gameplay) you just press x to kill them, their too easy (as in choose attack and thats it).

A turn-based game should be tactical, in the vein of shin megami tensei nocturne, where you really gotta pay attention to every encounter and one false move and your party dies kind of approach, and it should feel like you gotta use different stuff just to win for every encounter.

I mean it seems to me thats why we get so many different kinds of attack, physical, and the whole plethora of magical attacks.

That being said, i generally like the character design, and the cinematics seem pretty good, that alone might make me enjoy the game overall.

These right here are words of truth people, listen to them and follow the example laid out before you.

Who cares what one "reviewer/previewer" is saying, the only opinion that matters is your own... or mine of course.

FFXIII is going to be amazing, period, end of, that's it, get used to it.