from your last post it seems you think i believe FF is crap and FFXII sucks, as a general thing 'So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?' however ive made it quite clear FF6 is my favourite FF even though i think its gameplay is bad, and in general i think gameplay in FF isn't good purely because of its random-encounter-repetitive-nonengaging-kill-normal-enemies-easily-with-just-attack-command'.

I apologise too if i was too aggressive.

I dont really believe you enjoy grinding in games, nor do i believe anyone, in general, enjoys grinding, you stated numerous times as some kind of counter-argument that jrpg's are all like that, it seems to me this is a type of argument that is telling someone 'you just gotta accept it' and it seems you would say this if your 'resigned' to it rather then enjoying it.

I believe that many JRPG's that are turn-based, fail in their design in that it becomes boring and repetitive because normal enemies, consisting of the very large majority of encounters (therefore gameplay) you just press x to kill them, their too easy (as in choose attack and thats it).

A turn-based game should be tactical, in the vein of shin megami tensei nocturne, where you really gotta pay attention to every encounter and one false move and your party dies kind of approach, and it should feel like you gotta use different stuff just to win for every encounter.

I mean it seems to me thats why we get so many different kinds of attack, physical, and the whole plethora of magical attacks.

That being said, i generally like the character design, and the cinematics seem pretty good, that alone might make me enjoy the game overall.

from your last post it seems you think i believe FF is crap and FFXII sucks, as a general thing 'So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?' however ive made it quite clear FF6 is my favourite FF even though i think its gameplay is bad, and in general i think gameplay in FF isn't good purely because of its random-encounter-repetitive-nonengaging-kill-normal-enemies-easily-with-just-attack-command'.

I apologise too if i was too aggressive.

I dont really believe you enjoy grinding in games, nor do i believe anyone, in general, enjoys grinding, you stated numerous times as some kind of counter-argument that jrpg's are all like that, it seems to me this is a type of argument that is telling someone 'you just gotta accept it' and it seems you would say this if your 'resigned' to it rather then enjoying it.

I believe that many JRPG's that are turn-based, fail in their design in that it becomes boring and repetitive because normal enemies, consisting of the very large majority of encounters (therefore gameplay) you just press x to kill them, their too easy (as in choose attack and thats it).

A turn-based game should be tactical, in the vein of shin megami tensei nocturne, where you really gotta pay attention to every encounter and one false move and your party dies kind of approach, and it should feel like you gotta use different stuff just to win for every encounter.

I mean it seems to me thats why we get so many different kinds of attack, physical, and the whole plethora of magical attacks.

That being said, i generally like the character design, and the cinematics seem pretty good, that alone might make me enjoy the game overall.

This is a fair point and I want you to know it's a fair point

But some people do like grinding. It's true! Some people find solace in the repetition, the idea that time invested = progression, where anyone can beat a game if they grind for long enough. It's one of the primary appeals of Dragon Quest.

I do enjoy grinding in games, it's what I find appeal in RPG's, the kind of appeal that most other genres don't have to me. I respect that people may not like it, as you may not, but to me it's one of the plus sides to the RPG genre in general ;)

I agree with your assessment that Turn-based games should be more tactical, that's why I enjoy the SMT series way more than FF, it gives you a sense of accomplishment and through thinking in each battle, that no FF game has ever achieved.

I'm sorry about missing your FF6 comment, and being a bit harsh on my comments as well ;)

I agree with mai in the aspect that you are well informed about the series itself, as clearly only a person who knows about FF can argue like that, we just have different points of view about what we enjoy about the series itself. I respect yours then ;)

If nobody enjoys grinding why do we buy games like Disgaea? That game is one gigantic grinding session.

What is even more incredible is that my girlfriend of all people, one who hasn't liked any games other than FFIX absolutely loves Disgaea since she first played it last year. The battle system and the grinding is her favorite thing about it.

Item World AKA Grind Grind and Grind some more is her favorite. Imagine that huh?