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lestatdark said:
@vanatos

I already said that you don't find grinding fun, yet you continue to overlap it to everyone else ;)

Please show me people saying that grinding is bad, or better, let's wait until someone else responds to our debate in this particular point. You say that it's pretty much agreed by everyone, but so far, you're only giving your personal reasons. At least i'm saying that I consider grinding fun, and leave it at that ;)

So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?

So far, the only factual rational reason you gave for your dislike of FF was "Final Fantasy has always failed to achieve this, 99% of encounters can be won with the exact same spamming attack, 99% of encounters can be won regardless of what choice you make (whether using the ATTACK, FIRE MAGIC, ICE MAGIC, THROW, SUMMON etc)." yet you failed to realise that almost all RPG games fall into that pattern sooner or later.

Hey, I never said that you should leave the thread nor do I say that I only tolerate praise for FFXIII, I only adressed the usual complains that FFXIII is getting which I think are a bit unfair, as do other members in this site ;)

You may give FF praise or criticism, I already posted this to you, no need to repost it again, what I said on my first reply to you, was that with your attitude you came here looking for trouble, which your next posts already shown to be true.

Notice how other another member of this site already pointed out how insulting your post was? You may continue to use this line of reasoning, as for me I really don't care if you call me a fanboy or not, but as the rule state, that's an offense in this site, so probably you'll get in trouble if a mod sees this thread, but be that as you may ;)

- Do you really need to be shown that grinding is bad? that it is considered not fun?

- Where did i say FFXIII sucks or that FF is crap? didnt i state pretty clearly that FF6 is my favourite FF and ive played it 10 times despite the fact i think its gameplay isnt good? didnt i state that FFXIII cinematics to me could make the game good, regardless of its deficiencies of gameplay?

Criticising a specific part of a game!= thinking the game sucks

But the attitude you display actually implies you think that if someone believes a game is good, they must accept every aspect of it as good, which is clearly not rationale.

- I dont care if 'most rpgs' contain the same bad elements, this does not make it more acceptable or somehow 'good', in fact i think cmpanies should try even harder to 'break the mold' so to speak, rather then doing these same bad designs purely because everyone else is doing it.

- You didnt state i was 'looking for trouble' your quite clear that my simple criticism of FFXII is considered 'unwanted' and you wanted me out of the thread for that reason, and that 'shows what you know' comment by you to me, you really have no basis to state anyones insulting anyone else do you?

It seems to me you want to blow this issue up to sidetrack a discussion on FFXIII, id rather not continue discussing this 'you said this to me' stuff myself.