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psrock on 14 December 2009
Carl2291 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
ioi is happy with the numbers.

There is nothing more to say really.

The game is selling really well, it is Game of the Year, it deserves the sales it's having...

@darth, NPD is not the law. Get over it.

get over what?

It seems most people have taken this far too seriously, from thinking I hate uncharted 2 to thinking I'm loosing sleep over this

Get over the fact you were way off on your prediction, which seems to be your whole reason for making the thread.

The numbers wont be adjusted anytime soon, ioi is happy with them.

It will be over 2m with the next update, and close to or over 2.5 by January.

Darth, there is a difference between hating and hating on, You are mad because it's selling better than you expected and more importantly

 

Uncharted 2 is better than FFXIII.



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
steverhcp02 said:
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No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.

I said 2 - 2.5 Million

The opposing side 3 - 4 Million

If the game sells 3 Million

my low end is 1 million away, their high end is 1 Million away

it would need to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

Wait, what? youre taking your low end vs their high end, you need to take low vs low, i cant continue this debate, good luck with your predictions.

They have a million worth of range, I'm doing what is statistically fair, one one hand they have double the chance of being close

They get an advantage, so on the other hand I get one, nothings free in this world

thank you for your wishes

most of all thank you for helping to take this thread past 100 posts, the UnReal Corporation thanks you!

ummm no, i dont think fairness is being able to change a prediction after 6 weeks of sales.

You said 2-2.5 they said 3-4 the range doesnt matter if youre ranges do not cross. There is no grey area, if it sells less than 2.5 million youre right, if it sells more than 3 million theyre right.

 

"they" includes people who said 3 - 3.5 & people who said 3.5 - 4

I am including two ranges in there, if we take the average of their range we get 3.5 Million

We will not take the average of my range as my range it is smaller than their range

So once again it would have to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off



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Kantor on 14 December 2009

Let's settle this.

You said 2-2.5 million. Midpoint 2.25 million.

We said 3-4 million. Midpoint 3.5 million.

1.25 million difference.

Which means 2.875 million is the midpoint. Not 3 million.



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
Kantor said:
Let's settle this.

You said 2-2.5 million. Midpoint 2.25 million.

We said 3-4 million. Midpoint 3.5 million.

1.25 million difference.

Which means 2.875 million is the midpoint. Not 3 million.

Yeah I don't think it'll do 2.875 Million unless its bundled heavily

But we have decided to not take the average of my range as your range is larger

We will need an equal range in order to take an average of both ranges & compare them

for now we will take the high point of my range versus the mid point of your range, as your range was double my range in the first place



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steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

They have a million worth of range, I'm doing what is statistically fair, one one hand they have double the chance of being close

They get an advantage, so on the other hand I get one, nothings free in this world

thank you for your wishes

most of all thank you for helping to take this thread past 100 posts, the UnReal Corporation thanks you!

ummm no, i dont think fairness is being able to change a prediction after 6 weeks of sales.

You said 2-2.5 they said 3-4 the range doesnt matter if youre ranges do not cross. There is no grey area, if it sells less than 2.5 million youre right, if it sells more than 3 million theyre right.

 

"they" includes people who said 3 - 3.5 & people who said 3.5 - 4

I am including two ranges in there, if we take the average of their range we get 3.5 Million

We will not take the average of my range as my range it is smaller than their range

So once again it would have to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

This is the first ive heard of two prediction sets in this thread.

Youre really bad at debating, you keep changing the variables to help your case.

The people that said 3.5-4 will be right if it reaches that range. The people that said 3-3.5 will be right if it reaches that range youll be right if it stays between 2-2.5

How on earth youve been able to justify in your own thoughts and actually argue that you prediction of 2-2.5 can be right if it sells 3 million is beyond my comprehension level.




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Barozi on 14 December 2009
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Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

Well, Gears is primarily shooting, unlike Uncharted or GTA. Not really comparable.

I don't know what you did in Uncharted 2, but I shot bad guys in the majority of the time.

And platformed, and solved puzzles. There's a reason it's called: Action Adventure. It's very much like Tomb Raider, and in the eyes of many in the public, that's just what it is: thus - not a shooter.

Sure and I'm reading the Playboy because of the nice articles.

In Uncharted you do:

1. Shooting

2. Platforming

3. Solving puzzles

in that order sorted by things you do most of the time.

 

It's totally fine to call it an action adventure, but it's totally wrong to dismiss the game's shooting elements. It's totally fine to call it a TPS with action adventure elements.

In the eyes of the public, it's a shooter and an action adventure. Both genre fans will enjoy the game.



Kantor on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Kantor said:
Let's settle this.

You said 2-2.5 million. Midpoint 2.25 million.

We said 3-4 million. Midpoint 3.5 million.

1.25 million difference.

Which means 2.875 million is the midpoint. Not 3 million.

Yeah I don't think it'll do 2.875 Million unless its bundled heavily

But we have decided to not take the average of my range as your range is larger

We will need an equal range in order to take an average of both ranges & compare them

for now we will take the high point of my range versus the mid point of your range, as your range was double my range in the first place

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You chose your range.

If we must do this, fine, I predicted 3.5-4 million.

So, if it sells over 3 million, I was closer.

And it will sell over 3 million.



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

They have a million worth of range, I'm doing what is statistically fair, one one hand they have double the chance of being close

They get an advantage, so on the other hand I get one, nothings free in this world

thank you for your wishes

most of all thank you for helping to take this thread past 100 posts, the UnReal Corporation thanks you!

ummm no, i dont think fairness is being able to change a prediction after 6 weeks of sales.

You said 2-2.5 they said 3-4 the range doesnt matter if youre ranges do not cross. There is no grey area, if it sells less than 2.5 million youre right, if it sells more than 3 million theyre right.

 

"they" includes people who said 3 - 3.5 & people who said 3.5 - 4

I am including two ranges in there, if we take the average of their range we get 3.5 Million

We will not take the average of my range as my range it is smaller than their range

So once again it would have to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

This is the first ive heard of two prediction sets in this thread.

Youre really bad at debating, you keep changing the variables to help your case.

The people that said 3.5-4 will be right if it reaches that range. The people that said 3-3.5 will be right if it reaches that range youll be right if it stays between 2-2.5

How on earth youve been able to justify in your own thoughts and actually argue that you prediction of 2-2.5 can be right if it sells 3 million is beyond my comprehension level.

Thats because you haven't quite grasped the fundamentals of this argument.

This isn;t about a debate this about having 2 ranges that must have a mutually symbiotic average in order to make sure it is fair all accross the board, several variable & researches have been used to come to the averages we came too

Now kantor claims 3.5 - 4 Million is your range so we can take that as your sides range now.

It will need to sell over 3 Million to satisfy the opposing side & lead to their victory.



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Alic0004 on 14 December 2009
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

Well, Gears is primarily shooting, unlike Uncharted or GTA. Not really comparable.

I don't know what you did in Uncharted 2, but I shot bad guys in the majority of the time.

I snuck up behind them and knocked them out, so I wouldn't feel like I was murdering hundreds of mercenaries in over their heads.  I did shooting when I had to.  And a lot of jumping and climbing, if memory serves.



 

FastFord58 on 14 December 2009

Being exclusive is holding Naughty Dog back from the greatness they deserve.



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