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Bobbuffalo on 06 October 2009

see sony? this is the kind of mentality that did put you in 3d place. don't you never learn?



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Carl on 06 October 2009
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

For Nintendo to make that risk would be suicide since gaming is all they have. Sony was able to sell consoles at a loss because they sell a shit ton of other stuff too.

It just goes to show you what Sony is willing to do to make profits. Not that profits shouldn't be sought after, but they are willing to risk losing their entire position in the gaming industry in order to make blu ray the new standard.

Basically the only types of risks that Sony makes are financial ones since it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to them if they were in the video game business or not. Aside from that, it is Nintendo that are the true innovators; the true pioneers of video games.

Yet Jack never mentioned innovating in the quote. He said Sony take more risks, and still deliver. Which is true.

They are STILL selling PS3 at a loss and this year they have pumped out more AAA exclusives than Ninty and MS.



                            

angrypoolman on 06 October 2009
hsrob said:
Sony can afford to take risks and loss lead whereas Nintendo can't, gaming is their only business. Imagine where Nintendo would be this generation if the roles were reversed and the PS3 and PSP and their associated profits/osses were Nintendo's.

Nintendo does take risks, they are just of a different kind. It's only ridiculous in that he seems to be suggesting that the kind of risk Sony takes is absolutely the better position, something that I think is very much open for debate.

You are the third person to mention this. I mentioned it at 2:07, then GriffenA mentioned it again at 2:09, and you mentioned it at 2:15. And now I am mentioning it again.

Nintendo selling their console at a loss would not be a very intelligent risk for them to take since gaming is all they have. Sony, on the other hand, can use this industry, and take losses in it to raise profits in other divisions.

and let me use this as evidence that you can't trust Sony. Nintendo can and will always deliver quality products because they can't afford to lose out in this business.



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

angrypoolman on 06 October 2009
Carl2291 said:
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

For Nintendo to make that risk would be suicide since gaming is all they have. Sony was able to sell consoles at a loss because they sell a shit ton of other stuff too.

It just goes to show you what Sony is willing to do to make profits. Not that profits shouldn't be sought after, but they are willing to risk losing their entire position in the gaming industry in order to make blu ray the new standard.

Basically the only types of risks that Sony makes are financial ones since it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to them if they were in the video game business or not. Aside from that, it is Nintendo that are the true innovators; the true pioneers of video games.

Yet Jack never mentioned innovating in the quote. He said Sony take more risks, and still deliver. Which is true.

They are STILL selling PS3 at a loss and this year they have pumped out more AAA exclusives than Ninty and MS.

Innovation is a risk. Things were not looking too bright for the DS when it first came out..

In any case, I will give you that Sony has put out more triple A titles than Ninty and MS this year (does microsoft even count? they dont make games). I would like to add that Nintendo is working on a new Mario, Metroid, and Zelda right now though. and I am pretty sure all of these will come out in 2010.



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

O-D-C on 06 October 2009

3rd place and still arrogant? Ah Sony



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blunty51 on 06 October 2009

Don't they have enough padding to take those 'risks' (sony)?
I think the comparison is entirely out of context....one company moving according to their climate and the other doing the same.



Gnac on 06 October 2009
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

It would have been a bigger risk to sell it at or above cost, because even less people would be interested in it. They were forced to drop the price to make it more appealing.

It would have been a bigger risk to make profit for a short while? No... Just no.

Launching at $600 and losing a fuck load of money is a much bigger risk than launching at $250 and making money.

I'd like to know what you think about the possible reasons behind the machine costing as much as it did initially. Do you think these were calculated risks? There are no doubt a lot of decisions which led to both this and Ken's forced retirement, but until we find out what they were, I don't think we can say that the launch price was a particularly smart risk. It dented the brand, somewhat.



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noname2200 on 06 October 2009
.jayderyu said:

noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

This was a move to duplicate the PS2 DVD push. It was an assumption with previous positive results.

 

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

This was in reaction to the Wiiremote after their announcement. Not a personal initiate risk.

 

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

Apple iPod is already proving to be very succeful. It's all about introduction.

 

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

This is a continuation of the PS2 populatiry.



They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

DId anyone seriously think Sony wasn't going to get 3rd party at the begining. This is hindsight speaking.



They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

Yeah that was a risking comment  :P



They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

This is pretty standard with business diversity.

 


They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

They are following Nintendo design of a "wand" like design which is proven sucesful. How is this a risk. It is, but from a design perspective of Sony Copying? it's not a risk it's copying.


Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.

This is a good business practice. Why are we downplaying smart business?

No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

 

 

 

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying "lol Sony's stupid" or "lol Nintendo's got no balls!"

What I AM saying is that Sony made massive assumptions about the market, apparently without doing much research into whether their assumptions would be correct. They literally bet billions on these assumptions, and they continue to do so. I'd say that's pretty risky.

I also strongly disagree with your assessment of the Wand. They've likely sunk millions, if not tens of millions, into the project. You say it's not a risk because they're just copying a successful model. The problem is that from what little we've seen, they're not doing that; they certainly duplicated the technology behind the Wiimote (and Motion+), but that's different from copying the successful model (i.e. the Wii). Now, maybe Sony's hiding their true strategy, or maybe they've got research data which says that their current direction with the Wand will pay massive dividends. I don't know. But, not being privy to that information, and having observed Sony's willful behavior this generation, I'm inclined to say that they're once again taking a risk by simply assuming they know how things will play out.



Carl on 06 October 2009
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

For Nintendo to make that risk would be suicide since gaming is all they have. Sony was able to sell consoles at a loss because they sell a shit ton of other stuff too.

It just goes to show you what Sony is willing to do to make profits. Not that profits shouldn't be sought after, but they are willing to risk losing their entire position in the gaming industry in order to make blu ray the new standard.

Basically the only types of risks that Sony makes are financial ones since it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to them if they were in the video game business or not. Aside from that, it is Nintendo that are the true innovators; the true pioneers of video games.

Yet Jack never mentioned innovating in the quote. He said Sony take more risks, and still deliver. Which is true.

They are STILL selling PS3 at a loss and this year they have pumped out more AAA exclusives than Ninty and MS.

Innovation is a risk. Things were not looking too bright for the DS when it first came out..

In any case, I will give you that Sony has put out more triple A titles than Ninty and MS this year (does microsoft even count? they dont make games). I would like to add that Nintendo is working on a new Mario, Metroid, and Zelda right now though. and I am pretty sure all of these will come out in 2010.

Blu-ray, Cell, PSP Go. All different way's of innovating or bringing something new to the table. Add that to Sony's pricing risk...

Glad you agree, i had the facts waiting for you to disagree

Yep, yep they do. But Sony also have The Last Guardian, God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5... And that's just for the first half of the year. For once, we don't actually know what else Sony have planned.



                            

Xoj on 06 October 2009

about taking risk, he is right.

nintendo plays save. their risk was trying to sell a less spec console just with the motion control.
but even so they would have never lost money, just marketshare.

it's clear ps3 way more risky wii ever was. or will be.
nintendo barely steps out of mario, zelda, metriod, and wii (fit, sport) titles and if they do not so much.

sony risked tons of money on killzone 2, LBP, and with ico, shadow of the colossus and the last guardian, HEAVY rain.

as for my taste in games, i Loving the risk sony it's taking, high quality but expensive hardware, new IPS with high quality budget.