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Forums - Sales Discussion - Gran Turismo 5 to sell over 15 Million LTD or only over 10?

atma998 on 10 November 2009
ZorroX said:
So 600k during PS3 slim launch week is nothing?
Selling around 250k+ every week since slim launch is weak brand?

Do you remember what PS3 sales people predicted for slim first week and first month?
PS3 lost its position in NA, but it`s still VERY strong in Europe and Japan.

And have MGS4 taught you anything?


Stop always taking MGS4 as an example (btw MGS4 didnt even come close to the 10 mil sales). Look at GTAIV numbers instead and compare them to GTA:SA, then you will have a better idea of what is coming up for GT5. Knowing that GTA is a greater franchise than GT, exclusive or not.



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Ail on 10 November 2009

15 millions nope.
10 millions maybe but it will take several years...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Adobo on 10 November 2009

more than 10 for sure



saicho on 10 November 2009
ZorroX said:
MGS4 sold 3 mln. in 8 weeks with 14 mln. PS3.
GT is more popular and bigger franchise, than MGS.
28 mln. PS3 could mean 6 mln. GT5 in 8 weeks if GT5 would be released on same week WW.

Brand power means a lot this gen for big titles like GTA, Halo, MGS, GT.

And in Japan GT5 will sell over 1 mln. in worst case.

I think it's actually the best case for GT5 to sell over 1 million in Japan.

 

Also, MGS4 is only at 4.29 mil WW right now. That's only 43% more than it was at after 8 weeks of release. Applying it to the 6 mil after 8 weeks estimation you had for GT5, we have 8.58 mil after 17 months. It would be some time before it reaches 10 mil and a long long way from 15 mil.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

ZorroX on 10 November 2009
atma998 said:
ZorroX said:
So 600k during PS3 slim launch week is nothing?
Selling around 250k+ every week since slim launch is weak brand?

Do you remember what PS3 sales people predicted for slim first week and first month?
PS3 lost its position in NA, but it`s still VERY strong in Europe and Japan.

And have MGS4 taught you anything?


Stop always taking MGS4 as an example (btw MGS4 didnt even come close to the 10 mil sales). Look at GTAIV numbers instead and compare them to GTA:SA, then you will have a better idea of what is coming up for GT5. Knowing that GTA is a greater franchise than GT, exclusive or not.

MGS was never a 10M seller. Even on PS2 it never sold more than 7M copies. And GTAIV wasn`t a timed exclusive on PS3, neither had exclusive DLC, but still on both consoles it already sold over 13M copies.

GT5 is PS3 exclusive and is the biggest PlayStation franchise. Also GT has as strong fanbase as MGS, 10M+ is a given.



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jarrod on 10 November 2009
ZorroX said:
So 600k during PS3 slim launch week is nothing?
Selling around 250k+ every week since slim launch is weak brand?

Do you remember what PS3 sales people predicted for slim first week and first month?
PS3 lost its position in NA, but it`s still VERY strong in Europe and Japan.

And have MGS4 taught you anything?

MGS4?  The game that took six months to even reach a(n unbundled) million units sold in the US?  The game that's undershot MGS1/2 by a good 2.5-3.5 million units?  That MGS4?

GT isn't guaranteed anything.  Especially not outselling the current best selling PS3 games by 2 to 1 on brand power.  10 million isn't impossible, but it's not likely either...



nordlead on 10 November 2009

haven't read the thread, but I'm going with 8m units for Gran Turismo 5. That would be an additional 2m units over the best selling game to date.




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jarrod on 10 November 2009
saicho said:
ZorroX said:
MGS4 sold 3 mln. in 8 weeks with 14 mln. PS3.
GT is more popular and bigger franchise, than MGS.
28 mln. PS3 could mean 6 mln. GT5 in 8 weeks if GT5 would be released on same week WW.

Brand power means a lot this gen for big titles like GTA, Halo, MGS, GT.

And in Japan GT5 will sell over 1 mln. in worst case.

I think it's actually the best case for GT5 to sell over 1 million in Japan.

Agreed.  Minna no Golf 5 sales are telling, most Japanese sequels on PS3 underselling what they were on PS3 by 10-50%.  The only exceptions are DMC3/4 and Biohazard 4/5 (which was a year late port on PS2).

 

edit: The only real region I can see where GT5 sales have a chance of holding to last gen figures is probably Europe.  And granted, while it's GT's strongest region, the tumble it's going to take in America and Japan will be what's pulling it south of 10 million worldwide.



ZorroX on 10 November 2009
saicho said:
ZorroX said:
MGS4 sold 3 mln. in 8 weeks with 14 mln. PS3.
GT is more popular and bigger franchise, than MGS.
28 mln. PS3 could mean 6 mln. GT5 in 8 weeks if GT5 would be released on same week WW.

Brand power means a lot this gen for big titles like GTA, Halo, MGS, GT.

And in Japan GT5 will sell over 1 mln. in worst case.

I think it's actually the best case for GT5 to sell over 1 million in Japan.

 

Also, MGS4 is only at 4.29 mil WW right now. That's only 43% more than it was at after 8 weeks of release. Applying it to the 6 mil after 8 weeks estimation you had for GT5, we have 8.58 mil after 17 months. It would be some time before it reaches 10 mil and a long long way from 15 mil.

Japan  Title Units (K)* Release
Gran Turismo 2,550 
Gran Turismo 2 1,710
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec 1,890
Gran Turismo Concept 2001 TOKYO 430
Gran Turismo 4 “Prologue” 790
Gran Turismo 4  1,270
Gran Turismo 5 “Prologue” 710
Total 9,350

According to Konami, MGS4 sold 4.7-5M LTD and it`s continue selling 15-20k per week even now. 



jarrod on 10 November 2009
ZorroX said:
saicho said:
ZorroX said:
MGS4 sold 3 mln. in 8 weeks with 14 mln. PS3.
GT is more popular and bigger franchise, than MGS.
28 mln. PS3 could mean 6 mln. GT5 in 8 weeks if GT5 would be released on same week WW.

Brand power means a lot this gen for big titles like GTA, Halo, MGS, GT.

And in Japan GT5 will sell over 1 mln. in worst case.

I think it's actually the best case for GT5 to sell over 1 million in Japan.

 

Also, MGS4 is only at 4.29 mil WW right now. That's only 43% more than it was at after 8 weeks of release. Applying it to the 6 mil after 8 weeks estimation you had for GT5, we have 8.58 mil after 17 months. It would be some time before it reaches 10 mil and a long long way from 15 mil.

Japan  Title Units (K)* Release
Gran Turismo 2,550 
Gran Turismo 2 1,710
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec 1,890
Gran Turismo Concept 2001 TOKYO 430
Gran Turismo 4 “Prologue” 790
Gran Turismo 4  1,270
Gran Turismo 5 “Prologue” 710
Total 9,350

According to Konami, MGS4 sold 4.7-5M LTD and it`s continue selling 15-20k week even now. 

Last shipment figures I recall were 4.5m for MGS4 and "over 7m" for both MGS1 and MGS2 (not counting Integral or Substance or PC/Xbox ports).  MGS3 was only 4m though iirc (not counting Subsistence), but then that was coming off the blowback from MGS2.

GT5 Prologue was mercilessly bundled (for free) in Japan too, and tracking figures actually support that half it's sales came from bundles.  Standalone sales were half what GT4 Prologue managed.