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Forums - Sales Discussion - Wii 10 mln. or PS3 5 mln. in Japan. Who first?

@ioi -
1) PS2 cost same as Wii cost now. PS3 is selling same as Wii so far.
2) PS2 slim launched by the end of October. Yeah, 8 week difference. Main boost of PS3 came on first 5 weeks. That will slow PS3 sales compared to PS2.
3) Because PS3 cost 40k yen, while PS2 cost 20-30k during Christmas season.
4) I think FFXIII will sell around 1.5 mln. first week. MGS4 sold around 500k first week with 2 mln. PS3. FFXIII is a bigger game, it will have atleast 30-35% attach rate of PS3 userbase(4.2-4.5 mln.).
5) I think, FFXIII will be more than enough. Tekken 6, Bayonetta, PES11 will help too.
6) PS2 was significantly cheaper than PS3.
7) Main difference, PS3 still has a small userbase in Japan, it has a lot of untapped Japan market left willing to buy PS3 at affordable 30k yen this Christmas.

Anyway, 2 months only left. We will see.



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ioi said:
Ail said:
ioi said:

Looks like someone is going to lose a bet!

@Zorro - now that release dates are set (I'm thinking NSMB Wii mainly) and we have seen where both consoles are settling, want to have one chance to edit the data?

 

27-Sep-09 13,000 8,554,862 45,000 3,623,866
04-Oct-09 30,000 8,599,862 37,000 3,653,866
11-Oct-09 30,000 8,641,362 30,000 3,681,866
18-Oct-09 27,000 8,679,862 27,000 3,706,866
25-Oct-09 25,000 8,704,862 23,000 3,729,866
01-Nov-09 35,000 8,739,862 29,000 3,758,866
08-Nov-09 36,000 8,775,862 32,000 3,790,866
15-Nov-09 42,000 8,817,862 26,500 3,817,366
22-Nov-09 40,000 8,857,862 27,500 3,844,866
29-Nov-09 52,500 8,910,362 35,500 3,880,366
06-Dec-09 155,000 9,065,362 45,500 3,925,866
13-Dec-09 135,000 9,200,362 60,000 3,985,866
20-Dec-09 190,000 9,390,362 165,000 4,150,866
27-Dec-09 255,000 9,645,362 115,000 4,265,866
03-Jan-10 165,000 9,810,362 100,000 4,365,866
10-Jan-10 65,000 9,875,362 47,500 4,413,366
17-Jan-10 50,000 9,925,362 37,500 4,450,866
24-Jan-10 40,000 9,965,362 33,000 4,483,866
31-Jan-10 35,000 10,000,362 30,000 4,513,866

Am I reading that wrong or are your numbers off ?

With this week famitsu numbers we should have

Oct 18 : Wii 8.64 millions, PS3 3.74.. ( oct 11th VGnumbers are Wii 8.61, PS3 3.71)

Just factoring this and keeping your predictions this gives :

31-Jan-10 : Wii 9,961,000 PS3 4,543,000

Lets say your Wii numbers end up being off 150k or so (10%) and now Wii isn't hitting 10 millions before march...

Yeah I haven't copied the last 2 weeks correctly - this is more like it:

27-Sep-09 12,415 8,549,427 45,430 3,642,478
04-Oct-09 33,831 8,583,258 37,642 3,680,120
11-Oct-09 30,494 8,613,752 29,629 3,709,749
18-Oct-09 27,000 8,640,752 27,000 3,736,749
25-Oct-09 25,000 8,665,752 23,000 3,759,749
01-Nov-09 35,000 8,700,752 29,000 3,788,749
08-Nov-09 36,000 8,736,752 32,000 3,820,749
15-Nov-09 42,000 8,778,752 26,500 3,847,249
22-Nov-09 40,000 8,818,752 27,500 3,874,749
29-Nov-09 52,500 8,871,252 35,500 3,910,249
06-Dec-09 155,000 9,026,252 45,500 3,955,749
13-Dec-09 135,000 9,161,252 60,000 4,015,749
20-Dec-09 190,000 9,351,252 165,000 4,180,749
27-Dec-09 255,000 9,606,252 115,000 4,295,749
03-Jan-10 165,000 9,771,252 100,000 4,395,749
10-Jan-10 65,000 9,836,252 47,500 4,443,249
17-Jan-10 50,000 9,886,252 37,500 4,480,749
24-Jan-10 40,000 9,926,252 33,000 4,513,749
31-Jan-10 35,000 9,961,252 30,000 4,543,749

 

 

 

One thing I will agree with you is the PS3 ain't gonna hit 5 million units before march, even if your PS3 numbers were off they clearly show that.

So the only question that remains is whether the Wii will manage to hit 10 millions before that date or not ( with your updated numbers the Wii is now hitting 10 millions  the first week of february).

 

Personnaly I think you are a little overestimating the 2 weeks around Chrismas and the Wii will end January around 9.85 million units but probably will still win the contest mid March.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

so PES will boost sales though there are already 2 previous versions... hmmm



ioi said:
You still think PS3 is going to sell more in the next 4 months than Wii in Japan with sales neck-and-neck this week? Just the simple fact that Nintendo formats see larger boosts than Sony formats during the holidays in Japan should be enough, add the fact that Wii has a stronger holiday lineup and I can't see how anyone can logically come to this conclusion!


Glad someone finally said it. LoL.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

ZorroX said:
Only because PS3 couldn`t hold 40k+ sales for the rest of year, it doesn`t mean, it won`t be selling a lot during Christmas period.

And i think, you really underestimate Tekken 6 and Bayonetta selling power.
Though, next week i don`t expect high sales too.

I don`t expect huge boost from NSMB, mainly because, Wii already had around 5 huge games released. Huge i mean, which sold 1-2+ mln. copies.
That`s why FFXIII, first huge PS3 game in Japan, will push more PS3 units.


Also you forget, that Wii sales were declining year to year. There is a possibility, that Wii already saturated Japan market at some point.
Anyway, we will see.

So far, after 4 weeks sales data, i overestimated PS3 sales and you overestimated Wii sales.

Based on your definition, what other huge game do you expect to see for PS3?

With current announced titles, I can only see FF Versus XIII as another one. I don't even think GT5 is a given.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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Did we really sink that low, that we're equating a console, any console, reaching 5 million to another reaching 10?

Whatever happened to lack of bias? If you want to celebrate 5 million, at least pick good comparisons. Or just celebrate, I would have if I cared when the N64 reached 5 million, but I'm not delusional about it.

Is this some kind of strange alternative universe, where common sense doesn't exist?



Azelover said:

Did we really sink that low, that we're equating a console, any console, reaching 5 million to another reaching 10?

Whatever happened to lack of bias? If you want to celebrate 5 million, at least pick good comparisons. Or just celebrate period.

Is this some kind of strange alternative universe, where common sense doesn't exist?

No one in this thread equated 5 million to 10 million. So no one sunk that low. What we're doing here is having a fun little contest about sales numbers best we can. I don't see how this is bias or lacking of common sense. You derived out of no where really.



@kopstudent89 - PES + new affordable PS3 price. Yes.

@saicho,
Huge - FFXIII, FFXIIIv, GT5.
Big - LP2, Yakuza 4, SO4i, FFXIV so far.

@Azelover - you missed the point, this is a RACE, not just some celebration.



ioi said:
I'm not using history of this gen - I'm looking back over the last 3-4 gens. Nintendo always has at least twice as strong a boost in hardware sales over the holidays as Sony.


But I think you have to acknowledge that many factors have changed this generation.  Based on what you said, I looked back at the historical data from last generation and divided the peak holiday sales each year by the sales of the equivalent to this week to figure out just what that factor was.  And I found that you're correct.  Nintendo (with the exception of 2002) has always had at least double the boost effect as Sony.

Peak week / Oct 17 equivalent week PS2 GC
2000 3.5 -
2001 7.6 20.4
2002 6.9 8.3
2003 9.3 19.2
2004 8.1 18.5
2005 4.0 19.4

But this generation...

Peak week / Oct 17 equivalent week PS3 Wii
2007 6.5 11.1
2008 13.5 5.8

The Wii has yet to show the kind of holiday boosts that Gamecube had and last year things reversed in terms of the holiday effect.

I don't think too much can be extracted from past generations' boosts.  It has less to do with Nintendo vs. Sony as it does with which consoles sell better in off-holiday periods (i.e. which consoles adults buy for themselves instead of solely as presents for the kids).  In the past, it has been Sony for obvious reasons.  This generation it's Nintendo because of Wii Fit and broad appeal of motion control and because the PS3 has been too expensive for most people except as a big family present (and for many it's been too expensive even for that). 

And now with both price drops things have changed again.  People are buying PS3's for themselves now which suggests a moderate holiday spike, but on the other hand I think there is major pent-up demand for people to replace their aging PS2's. The bulk of that effect will be during the holiday period rather than right now and I think the PS2 -> PS3 upgrade path is more likely than PS2 -> Wii.  The GC -> Wii customer is long gone.



I dont think Wii is going to hit above 150k more than once in this holiday... especially after seeing that it has dropped more 20% (from 33k to 27k) within 2 weeks after a price cut... 20% is significant cuz it didn't rise that much either.. and even than it is falling... so to me it shows that demand is falling n it is reaching saturation point fast...

i do believe that Wii will win this holidays but it will not race to 10m first..

Anyway i m keeping a close eye through my thread which i will update with your updated prediction but i think the console which will be able to sustain in Jan - March better is going to win..