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BladeOfGod on 20 September 2009
Rawnchie14 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Cypher1980 said:
BladeOfGod said:
NightAntilli said:
BladeOfGod said:
I still haven't seen the game on 360 that is better looking than Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2

And since when does two games, which is 0.36% of the total amount of games on the PS3 and 0.51% of its exclusives, determine that that system is more powerful than the X360? You people should reallystop being so biased and stop acting like it's the rule. Those two games are the exception. And besides that, there are too many factors to take into account, like art style, team size, time, engine optimization, and the OPINION of the person. Arguably the latest games on the PS2 looked better than the old Xbox. Does that mean the PS2 is more powerful because it has a few games that do? NO. And even then, it's still in the eye of the beholder and.. I'm going to say this again..

 

SOMETHING THAT IS BETTER LOOKING TO THE EYE DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT SYSTEM IS USING MORE POWER. THAT CONCLUSION IS SIMPLY FALSE AND  NOT LOGICAL

 

 

 

I didnt said PS3 is more powerfull than 360, this isnt a thread about which hardware is more powerfull, its about which system has best looking games and i said that i havent seen the game on 360 that looks better than U2 and KZ2.

And KZ2 and U2 are BETTER looking than any 360 game, thats not an opinnion its a FACT.

Nope, just checked with Head Office and your above statement is actually an OPINION.

So if i say Super Mario Galaxy looks better than Mario 64 i wold be saying my opinnion not a fact???

 

You have to be blind to think that U2 is better looking than any 360 game yet is an opinnion. ITS A FACT

And you have to be ignorant to believe that your opinion is the only opinion that could possibly exist, thus making your holy opinion fact.

While I will agree that Uncharted 2 is the best thing I've seen this gen, I don't think my opinion is fact like you...


Dude, if you WANT to believe that U2 is better looking than any 360 game is an opinion that's fine by me. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

You fail to realize that graphic comparisons are not based on opinion



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BladeOfGod on 20 September 2009
NightAntilli said:
It's still clear you understood NOTHING of what I said. Your games that "look" better does not mean the system is more powerful.. But never mind.. I don't even know why i expected you to understand.. You only keep repeating the same over and over again. Yet I've already said why that argument is not logical. Yet you keep going. It's like talking to a wall. Unless you have some REAL evidence that the PS3 system is more powerful for games, I ask you nicely to shut up. Your own point of view and lack of technical knowledge is not evidence...


WHERE DID I SAID ONE SYTSEM IS MORE POWERFULL THAN ANOTHER?????????????



selnor on 20 September 2009
thismeintiel said:
selnor said:
thismeintiel said:

I hate when people use multi-plats as a basis for their argument that the 360 is better. Yet in the same breath talk of how it's harder and more time consuming to develop for the PS3. Now if you put those 2 together you should understand why earlier, and a slim few now, look a little better on the 360.

Now this only goes for multi-plats that come out at the same time. The development team has a certain amount of time to finish all versions of the game, so of course the console that takes a shorter amount of time to develop for is going to have extra time to polish it alittle more. But if a team actually has time to develop for the PS3 you get beautiful results, i.e. Uncharted 1 & 2 and Killzone 2.

Now concerning ports of once 360 exclusives. On just about every one the devoloper has used Blu-ray, as well as the time needed to get more out of the PS3 to improve the graphics. With Oblivion, Bethesda used sharper textures, as well as increased the draw distance. With Bioshock, Take 2 used higher resolution textures. Even Ghostbusters recently put out a patch to optimize the graphics slightly to put them on par with the 360 game. I believe Fallout 3 did the same thing. That just further illustrates that they just needed some more time. Not the limitations of the PS3 hardware. And yes, the truth is multi-platform developers want their games to be the same when they are releasing at the same time. Anyone who doesn't believe so is just blind. Why wouldn't you do that? If you didn't, you'd be hurting the sales of the other systems version. And possibly any of your further releases on that same console, as you would anger the installed base. So you have to look at your exclusives, not multi-plats.

I do find it funny how some claim PS3 owners are so worried about proving we have the better looking games, when we are on a thread started by someone arguing that the 360 is at least on par with the PS3. Who's really worried? Hell, at least we have examples to show. And even MS agrees.


Of course this video shows that the 360 is amazing technically. This is incredible. Incredible. This is a good example as you were talking about.

Uhm, ok.  Got a little defensive much?  Never claimed the 360 graphics sucked, selnor.  Selnor?  Hey, are you the same guy that owes someone your house for your 360/MGS4 bet?

Love the way you attempt to sidetrack the entire discussion of this thread for a prediction I made years ago. LOL. Onr that I got extremely close as MGS game wa announced almost 2 weeks to when I said it would be. It wasn't MGS4 but the next MGS. Not bad considering EVERYONE said MGS would never go to 360. LOL.



selnor on 20 September 2009
Aldro said:
thismeintiel said:
selnor said:
thismeintiel said:

I hate when people use multi-plats as a basis for their argument that the 360 is better. Yet in the same breath talk of how it's harder and more time consuming to develop for the PS3. Now if you put those 2 together you should understand why earlier, and a slim few now, look a little better on the 360.

Now this only goes for multi-plats that come out at the same time. The development team has a certain amount of time to finish all versions of the game, so of course the console that takes a shorter amount of time to develop for is going to have extra time to polish it alittle more. But if a team actually has time to develop for the PS3 you get beautiful results, i.e. Uncharted 1 & 2 and Killzone 2.

Now concerning ports of once 360 exclusives. On just about every one the devoloper has used Blu-ray, as well as the time needed to get more out of the PS3 to improve the graphics. With Oblivion, Bethesda used sharper textures, as well as increased the draw distance. With Bioshock, Take 2 used higher resolution textures. Even Ghostbusters recently put out a patch to optimize the graphics slightly to put them on par with the 360 game. I believe Fallout 3 did the same thing. That just further illustrates that they just needed some more time. Not the limitations of the PS3 hardware. And yes, the truth is multi-platform developers want their games to be the same when they are releasing at the same time. Anyone who doesn't believe so is just blind. Why wouldn't you do that? If you didn't, you'd be hurting the sales of the other systems version. And possibly any of your further releases on that same console, as you would anger the installed base. So you have to look at your exclusives, not multi-plats.

I do find it funny how some claim PS3 owners are so worried about proving we have the better looking games, when we are on a thread started by someone arguing that the 360 is at least on par with the PS3. Who's really worried? Hell, at least we have examples to show. And even MS agrees.


Of course this video shows that the 360 is amazing technically. This is incredible. Incredible. This is a good example as you were talking about.

Uhm, ok.  Got a little defensive much?  Never claimed the 360 graphics sucked, selnor.  Selnor?  Hey, are you the same guy that owes someone your house for your 360/MGS4 bet?

Lol I remmeber that bet! :D

The X360 has awesome graphics but some of the PS3 exclusives (especially the first party) has had the edge so far. The most beautiful console game ever in my eyes is KZ2. Uncharted 2 coming behind & Uncharted 1(Even though it was released 2007!). MGS4 is 3rd party but the character models are sweet. The cutscenes also rock. LBP also has some nice art when you think about it ^.^. GT5 Prolouge I still love the graphics of that game and can't wait for GT5 + GoW 3 x). Then there are some games im less hyped about but that looks promising like Heavy Rain etc.

 

The X360 also has its share of exclusives as alan wake etc. But we've only seen videos so far and well even the vids dont entirely compare up to the ones I listed above. (Not in my eyes though but then again im a blind fanboy XD so stop reading what im saying!). When I got my x360 i got Gears 2 as I had heard it had MGS4 like graphics, Uncharted 1 etc. When I got it I was like: Dude you guys serious? Especially when some compared it to KZ2. Gears 2 doesnt even look better than Uncharted 1 imo. (Its a good game none the less the horde was fun :D, Im just a graphics whore and my comparisons are biased so dont reply to this, Just giving my opinion lol).

Well IMO, Nothing comes graphically close to the effects in Alan Wake. Even in videos. Forza 3 is the closest real life footage Ive seen from a console, That video above is amazing. Also Splinter Cell looks incredible to. My top console games for Graphics are KZ2, Forza 3, Alan Wake, Lost Planet 2 and Uncharted 2 in no particular order. If anything using exclusives shows there is nothing between the consoles. :)



Lostplanet22 on 20 September 2009

I can't really tell... Uncharted 2 looks like to be the king it. Watching those Full HD gameplay movies in my local store is something I never have seen before on a console.



 

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libellule on 20 September 2009

"If anything using exclusives shows there is nothing between the consoles. :)"

u continue with this ... we know GT5 eat FM3 graphically
we know KZ2 has eaten Halo graphically
and we know Uncharted will eat all the others ...

PS3 > 360 graphically.



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selnor on 20 September 2009
libellule said:
"If anything using exclusives shows there is nothing between the consoles. :)"

u continue with this ... we know GT5 eat FM3 graphically
we know KZ2 has eaten Halo graphically
and we know Uncharted will eat all the others ...

PS3 > 360 graphically.


Well I completely disagree. The latest Forza 3 videos Eat GT5 alive. Incredible is the word. With double the draw distance to. And all the graphics done on the GPU alone. With the CPU giving what previews are calling the best physics ever seen on consoles.

You compare KZ2 to Halo 3? LOL. I'll wait for Halo Reach if you like. Alan Wake eats KZ2 alive if you ask me. And Uncharted is nice. But I prefer Heavy Rain and Alan Wake. Also KUF2 looks insane as does Splinter Cell.



crumas2 on 20 September 2009
BladeOfGod said:


Dude, if you WANT to believe that U2 is better looking than any 360 game is an opinion that's fine by me. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

You fail to realize that graphic comparisons are not based on opinion

Most of the time graphic comparisons are little more than subjective.  There are so many variables that go into the final result that it usually takes a significant difference in quality to claim one game's visuals are clearly superior to another's.  I've heard people argue back and forth in threads, often comparing minutia in screen shots (which aren't even valid comparisons as frame-to-frame deltas can make a lot of difference in the final result), trying to point out how one image has better contrast, or shadows, or more details, or better color, or resolution, etc., etc.

It all boils down to how the end-user perceives the result, not what the technical aspects are of the elements.  I've seen paintings that look almost photo realistic, yet they're not considered to be as beautiful as a Rembrandt or a Monet.  You're dealing with consumers at the end, so which game has the best graphics will always be an opinion.

And I have to laugh at some of the responses to Selnor's post of Forza 3 video... I have to believe that some PS3 fans couldn't bring themselves to admit that the 360 is capable of graphics equal to anything created so far on the PS3, even if they were shown something that was completely photo-realistic.  My prediction is that a year from now some PS3 fan will take a look at Alan Wake video and proclaim, "yeah, right... Uncharted 1 blows that away."  



Doobie_wop on 20 September 2009

Has anyone given the thought that maybe it's not the consoles that should be compared, but instead the work put into the software by the developer. Well that's what I think personally, the only reason PS3 fans (me) make out that their console is more powerful is because we have seen better results as of recently. With the exception of a few very good exclusives, the 360 developers just don't seem to be putting that much effort into making masterpieces. I'm sorry of I'm watering down 360 games in any way, but it's only because I've played games like MGS4, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2, Uncharted and Demon's Souls (import) that I think this way. I've also played Gears of War 1, Halo 3 and Fable 2 and even though there all great I couldn't compare, though I do wish I had Mass Effect because that look's like a game in which consumed great effort and time. Don't judge, just saying that with pressure on Sony, the best had to come. The X-Box is happy with great games, but it need's to make more excellent ones.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Carl on 20 September 2009
selnor said:
libellule said:
"If anything using exclusives shows there is nothing between the consoles. :)"

u continue with this ... we know GT5 eat FM3 graphically
we know KZ2 has eaten Halo graphically
and we know Uncharted will eat all the others ...

PS3 > 360 graphically.


Well I completely disagree. The latest Forza 3 videos Eat GT5 alive. Incredible is the word. With double the draw distance to. And all the graphics done on the GPU alone. With the CPU giving what previews are calling the best physics ever seen on consoles.

You compare KZ2 to Halo 3? LOL. I'll wait for Halo Reach if you like. Alan Wake eats KZ2 alive if you ask me. And Uncharted is nice. But I prefer Heavy Rain and Alan Wake. Also KUF2 looks insane as does Splinter Cell.

From what we have seen, GT5 and Forza 3 look pretty much the same graphically. And we are yet to see full HD game videos of GT5 like the Forza ones you keep posting everywhere.

You will wait for Halo reach, which will be releasing ~2 years after KZ2... it is natural for that to probably look better. Yey.

Alan Wake we haven't seen enough of it to say it eats KZ2 alive.

And Uncharted 2, as IGN say... is the best of the best in graphics this gen. KUF2, i haven't seen enough to comment. Splinter Cell IMO looks worse than MGS4, which which will have been surpassed by both consoles when SC releases.