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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft
(multiple variations of definition given)
"b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"

When you download / copy an iso your are "taking of another person's property without that person's ... consent". YES you are.

As I said many times, while you are making it sound better by following the strict difference of theft and copyright infringement as detailed by the world's courts, in general terms and the terms any non lawyer would use to describe the situation, it is theft.

Piracy is akin to theft. Pirates are thieves.



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superchunk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft
(multiple variations of definition given)
"b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"

When you download / copy an iso your are "taking of another person's property without that person's ... consent". YES you are.

As I said many times, while you are making it sound better by following the strict difference of theft and copyright infringement as detailed by the world's courts, in general terms and the terms any non lawyer would use to describe the situation, it is theft.

Piracy is akin to theft. Pirates are thieves.

No you aren't taking someones property without their consent.

I don't think you understand what "take" means. 

There is no taking without there being removal.



Geez, we're going in the same track again...




Someone bought the game, the retail disc they bought is their property. That same person then decides to make a copy and then distributes it for others to download.

Doesn't sound like theft to me, it sounds more like someone making a copy of their own property and giving consent to anyone who wishes to download it.

When I buy a game is it not really mine?

 

Sounds like you are commiting theft then when you copy your DVDs for your children to watch. Did those movie companies give consent for your kids to also have a copy of the movie? Maybe you should have bought a second one.

You disstributed it to them without the companies consent.



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Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft
(multiple variations of definition given)
"b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"

When you download / copy an iso your are "taking of another person's property without that person's ... consent". YES you are.

As I said many times, while you are making it sound better by following the strict difference of theft and copyright infringement as detailed by the world's courts, in general terms and the terms any non lawyer would use to describe the situation, it is theft.

Piracy is akin to theft. Pirates are thieves.

No you aren't taking someones property without their consent.

I don't think you understand what "take" means. 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/take

Take can mean a lot more than physically remove the sole item.

"16. To obtain from a source; derive or draw:"

"1. To acquire possession."

 

You are taking the iso content as a copy.



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Euphoria14 said:
Someone bought the game, the retail disc they bought is their property. That same person then decides to make a copy and then distributes it for others to download.

Doesn't sound like theft to me, it sounds more like someone making a copy of their own property and giving consent to anyone who wishes to download it.

When I buy a game is it not really mine?

Yes. That physical game disc is your's however, the content is not yours to distribute. That is still under the ownership of the creators.

 

EDIT: Which is why it is legal to sale your copy as a used item.



Did you or did you not say that you copy your DVD for your children so that they do not damage the original?

If so then you are making an issue out of something you do yourself.

Your kids have no consent to take that copy.

If they really need one then they should buy it and not cheat the movie studio out of a second sale.



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Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

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superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft
(multiple variations of definition given)
"b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"

When you download / copy an iso your are "taking of another person's property without that person's ... consent". YES you are.

As I said many times, while you are making it sound better by following the strict difference of theft and copyright infringement as detailed by the world's courts, in general terms and the terms any non lawyer would use to describe the situation, it is theft.

Piracy is akin to theft. Pirates are thieves.

No you aren't taking someones property without their consent.

I don't think you understand what "take" means. 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/take

Take can mean a lot more than physically remove the sole item.

"16. To obtain from a source; derive or draw:"

"1. To acquire possession."

 

You are taking the iso content as a copy.

To aquire means to take it

You acquire a copy from taking it.

Your reading the defintions wrong because you want to.



Euphoria14 said:

Did you or did you not say that you copy your DVD for your children so that they do not damage the original?

If so then you are making an issue out of something you do yourself.

Your kids have no consent to take that copy.

If they really need one then they should buy it and not cheat the movie studio out of a second sale.

I am making a copy of those movies for my own personal use, which is allowed.

However, I like you play on the situation. lol.



ok, I'm going to let this thread die.

I've presented my point and the few of us still discussing are at point where neither of us are going to concede.

Good luck to you all and I hope that your name isn't in the news someday for piracy, since regardless of whether or not you agree that piracy is theft, it is illegal and since some % of pirates would buy the actual item there is a real loss to those who created it which does have direct affect on prices due to rising costs to combat piracy.