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Kantor on 07 August 2009
Zlejedi said:
Nope he isn't socialist.

To be socialist you must have your own belives.
Obame belives in whatever currently wins in public opinion and whatever will give him most votes.

He is empty PR baloon that will drift in the direction forced by wind of public opinion.

IMHO americans will seriously miss George Bush junior by the end of second Obama cadence.

Even if that were true, I think a President who does what the people want is a lot better than Bush Jr.



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The Fury on 07 August 2009

No, he's not.
Many of the comparisons aren't really Socialist either, they are are just helpful and provide a better standard of living for all in your country, not just the rich.

 



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Goodfella on 07 August 2009

Obama is a pawn like most presidents. Your/Our country is a company like everything else today. Sheep.




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Rath on 07 August 2009

Obama blatantly isn't a pawn. The healthcare bill he is trying to push through is unpopular and hurting him in the polls, he's doing it because he believes in it.



Zlejedi on 07 August 2009
Kantor said:
Zlejedi said:
Nope he isn't socialist.

To be socialist you must have your own belives.
Obame belives in whatever currently wins in public opinion and whatever will give him most votes.

He is empty PR baloon that will drift in the direction forced by wind of public opinion.

IMHO americans will seriously miss George Bush junior by the end of second Obama cadence.

Even if that were true, I think a President who does what the people want is a lot better than Bush Jr.


Not really. Listening to vox populi is rather short way to disaster.

If you have time to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1569–1795)



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Slimebeast on 07 August 2009

Yes, in his heart Obama is unfortunately a socialist. I think as a Congressman he was the one voting most left-wing of them all.

A health-care reform is a good thing if done right, but usually it doesn't stop there. Politicians are just too damn tempted to govern everything, they are control-freaks who always believe they know better. They love to play Sim City with tax money. So certainly other socialistic reforms will be forced upon the American people along with the healthcare thingy.

This is not good. The world needs America as a beacon of capitalist light to balance out socialist Europe.



Rath on 07 August 2009

@Slimebeast.

#1. Europe isn't socialist, its only socialist in comparison to America. Countries like Venezuela (under Chavez) are socialist. Europe is in fact largely capitalist, just not quite so capitalist as America.

#2. Obama is going to struggle like hell to get his healthcare bill pushed through, he won't be able to push anything more extreme through



Slimebeast on 07 August 2009
Rath said:
@Slimebeast.

#1. Europe isn't socialist, its only socialist in comparison to America. Countries like Venezuela (under Chavez) are socialist. Europe is in fact largely capitalist, just not quite so capitalist as America.

#2. Obama is going to struggle like hell to get his healthcare bill pushed through, he won't be able to push anything more extreme through


If the government by force takes away 2/3 of everything I produce with sweat and tears, then it's indeed socialism.



Rath on 07 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
Rath said:
@Slimebeast.

#1. Europe isn't socialist, its only socialist in comparison to America. Countries like Venezuela (under Chavez) are socialist. Europe is in fact largely capitalist, just not quite so capitalist as America.

#2. Obama is going to struggle like hell to get his healthcare bill pushed through, he won't be able to push anything more extreme through


If the government by force takes away 2/3 of everything I produce with sweat and tears, then it's indeed socialism.

No, it's social democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

 

Modern social democracy and strict socialism are quite different.



Slimebeast on 07 August 2009
Rath said:
Slimebeast said:
Rath said:
@Slimebeast.

#1. Europe isn't socialist, its only socialist in comparison to America. Countries like Venezuela (under Chavez) are socialist. Europe is in fact largely capitalist, just not quite so capitalist as America.

#2. Obama is going to struggle like hell to get his healthcare bill pushed through, he won't be able to push anything more extreme through


If the government by force takes away 2/3 of everything I produce with sweat and tears, then it's indeed socialism.

No, it's social democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

 

Modern social democracy and strict socialism are quite different.


It's socialism. Social democracy is an off-spring from communism and they both share the socialist ideology.

Social democrats even define themselves as socialists. At least here in Sweden (the strongest social democracy ruled country in the world history).