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SciFiBoy said:
Viper1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

the first part i read, i still dont see how one could define Obama as a Facist, even if your merely using it as an insult, that just makes your post flamebait?

he is no where near being a social interventionist, please explain what eugenics he has been involved in, in what way is he commiting ethnic cleansing?

Hitler was a facist, to compare Obama to him, is just delusional and desperate, clearly you have some sort of irrational hatred of the man, otherwise, you wouldnt even bring up facism in the first place in relation to him.

 

I said mild didn't I?  Did I say extreme?  Why does everyone think of the worst case examples when looking at political and social capacities?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interventionism

Try reading that.

 

isnt the stuff in the first paragraph good?

Social interventionism is an action which involves the intervention of a government or an organization in social affairs.[1] Such policies can include provision ofcharity or social welfare as a means to alleviate social and economic problems of people facing financial difficulties; provision of health care; provision of education; provision of safety regulations for employment and products; delivery of food aid or recovery missions to regions or countries negatively affected by an event; adoptionprograms; etc.

why would you object to thoose things?

also, how is Obama even a mild facist? can you back that up?

 

And why do you assume I'm saying it is a negative thing?   Does your preconceived notions of those 3 words automatically incurr negative thoughts?

I said Fascist because Social Interventionism is a form Facism.

 

As Famousringo stated, Facism is a very broad spectrum and I simply wanted to see how many people would assign negative connotations to it wihout context.



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So Viper do you think its a good thing that obama is what you think he is or a bad thing?



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Viper1 said:
SciFiBoy said:

isnt the stuff in the first paragraph good?

Social interventionism is an action which involves the intervention of a government or an organization in social affairs.[1] Such policies can include provision ofcharity or social welfare as a means to alleviate social and economic problems of people facing financial difficulties; provision of health care; provision of education; provision of safety regulations for employment and products; delivery of food aid or recovery missions to regions or countries negatively affected by an event; adoptionprograms; etc.

why would you object to thoose things?

also, how is Obama even a mild facist? can you back that up?

 

And why do you assume I'm saying it is a negative thing?   Does your preconceived notions of those 3 words automatically incurr negative thoughts?

I said Fascist because Social Interventionism is a form Facism.

 

As Famousringo stated, Facism is a very broad spectrum and I simply wanted to see how many people would assign negative connotations to it wihout context.

the term Facism has negative connotations, so, i assumed you meant something else by Social Interventionism, i apologise.

i think the problem is, when people hear Facism or Facist, they immediatley think of a certain Adolf Hitler

 



Sicilian. said:
So Viper do you think its a good thing that obama is what you think he is or a bad thing?

Yes and no.   I prefer free markets (of which America is only partially free) but I understand that social policies work well for smaller countries where capitalism simply won't have the sustaining power required.

 

I think Obama would be a great leader...just for another country.   In America his policies are going to cost us including entitlements a total of $100 trillion in debt which is going to hyperinflate the US dollar and destroy our currency (and several foreign markets in the process).

 

His intents, while noble, are at the sacrifice of our future.  Heath care might be nice but my grandchildren need a nation to live in.



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Khuutra said:
That is the worst definition of socialism I have ever, ever, ever heard.

Ever.


This. 

 



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FAIL

Obama is not a Socialist. Trust me, I am a Socialist.



ManusJustus said:
FAIL

Obama is not a Socialist. Trust me, I am a Socialist.

haha, awesome, can you get that on a t-shirt?



Khuutra said:
Viper1 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Viper1 said:
He has socialist tendencies and ideas and many of his programs are more socialist than capitalist in nature.

I would call him a mild Fascist Social Interventionist

O_o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facist

Have you read that Wiki entry?  I have.  Combine all 3 terms and don't focus on just facism alone.

Trying to combine Fascism with most other schools of thought is very difficult

Socialism in particular, since it actively rejects socialism

Not really.  Socialism and Fascism work the same exact way... with very similar goals.

Socialism and Facism both have full power running through the state for what is seen as the good of the state.  The only minor rub is facists are a bit more outright in sacrificing people for the good of the country.

In general the US government is a little too facist honestly... both parties.

I mean in general.  Facism suppreses the individual for the good of the state.  And socialism supresses the individual for the good of the people.

Considering the people are the state their isn't much difference.



No, the people and the state are no where near the same thing. The power of the state may flow from the people, but that isn't necessarily the case. Ask the citizens of Iran if they think the state represents them.

At its most rudimentary level, the state is one thing only: A monopoly on the use of force.



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And now you see why I call him a mild Fascist Social Interventionist.

He wants more power for the Federal Reserve Bank including all corporate regulations and he's growing the government by leaps and bounds. The bank and automotive bailouts. Then you have dictating corporate pay, nullifying legally binding contracts, human resource management, etc... Let's not forget his Civilian National Security Force. That's all a nod towards Fascism.

Then you have his social programs. Take from the rich, give to everyone. National health care. Living wages. Tax increases. That's all social interventionism.



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