I don't think it really matters what you call him, Barack Obama is a big government politician on a level that few successful political leaders have ever been outside of socialist, communist or fascist nations ... On top of that, Barack Obama is a politician who has used the partisan politics and the politics of division, fear and crisis on a level few politicians ever have.
Many countries around the world have systems that stupid people could easily label as socialism but they are not.
Anyway after what capitalism, and specifically rampant free market Fukiama style open door everything, has done to the world and the average american's savings, along with healthcare, education etc, people are f----ing stupid to think some protection is actually a bad thing.
Australian banks survived the crisis because the government made sure the lending practices would not destroy the whole system. Given that, why would anyone want to go through all of this again because of an old coldwar stereotype that the rest of us have forgotten about??
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
| megaman79 said: Many countries around the world have systems that stupid people could easily label as socialism but they are not. Anyway after what capitalism, and specifically rampant free market Fukiama style open door everything, has done to the world and the average american's savings, along with healthcare, education etc, people are f----ing stupid to think some protection is actually a bad thing. Australian banks survived the crisis because the government made sure the lending practices would not destroy the whole system. Given that, why would anyone want to go through all of this again because of an old coldwar stereotype that the rest of us have forgotten about?? |
You do realize America hasn't had actual free market capitalism for several decades now, don't you?
The rEVOLution is not being televised
Well, if that is how you define Socialism, then isn't it a GOOD thing that he's a Socialist? Free healthcare and ending a war are bad things now?
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^bullshit, prove it to me. Your economic collapse says otherwise.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
| Kantor said: Well, if that is how you define Socialism, then isn't it a GOOD thing that he's a Socialist? Free healthcare and ending a war are bad things now? |
Free health care isn't free. It is still paid for only now with more bureaucracy, rasied taxes or ifnlated money.
| megaman79 said: ^bullshit, prove it to me. Your economic collapse says otherwise. |
I assume this post was meant for me, not Kantor.
Our economic callpse was due to government involvment in artifically inflated housing prices and illiquid debts created from government policies and programs. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were government, not private.
real Under a capitalist economy, the bubble would never have built itself up like that (because market forces would have kept housing prices at value) nor would we bail out anybody (they'd go to bankruptcy court like everyone else and the good assets sold to capable companie and the bad assets liquidated instead of being bought with our tax money).
The rEVOLution is not being televised
Americans can call him a socialist all they want but compared to the rest of the western world he really isn't that socialist.
Karl Marx's quote cannot really be applied to Obama as he isn't aiming to turn the country into a communist state.
And yes, some of Obamas ideas do have socialist tendancies, his healthcare plan is the biggest one. But in my opinion a bit of socialism is nessecary, I think a state based on pure capitalism would be a truly evil place indeed. Capitalism to keep people reaching for the top, socialism to keep them falling off the bottom - you need a mixture of both in my opinion.
Edit:@Viper. Can you post some proof that Freddie and Fannie were controlled by the govt pre-crisis? I'm useless at finding this stuff online and I'm interested to find this stuff out =P
Nope he isn't socialist.
To be socialist you must have your own belives.
Obame belives in whatever currently wins in public opinion and whatever will give him most votes.
He is empty PR baloon that will drift in the direction forced by wind of public opinion.
IMHO americans will seriously miss George Bush junior by the end of second Obama cadence.
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Obama a socialist ?
What a joke.... US media should try to do some real journalism instead of pourring that kind of sh*t...
US people have no idea about what is socialism....
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