if you get a wow feeling LOOKING at MP1 and not Killzone 2 then your just a fanboy.. its a fact that killzone 2 looks better...

It is NOT a fact that graphics mean nothin because there are about 50 million xbox and ps3 owners who disagree and i am one of them. (not to metion PC owners)

I love looking at graphics thats why when the xbox was annouced i went out and bought a 4 thousand dollar HD TV complete with surrond sound. Just because the Wii does not support it doesnt mean it means nothing to everybody. May not mean anything to you but it means a lot to me.

I will deny this.

Do you think reviewers should append the statement "for a Wii game" to their reviews.  Graphics are an important component of video games.  The Conduit may be a 10 in graphics for a Wii game, but it would not stand out on the 360.

1)The first Halo was innovative for a console, the 3rd is generic.... 

2)Yeah, there are biased reviews for all systems, but more biased reviews for wii. I read a lot of wii reviews and the things  I read make me       laugh sometimes.

3)Yeah, you're right, wii has seen a lot of fps this gen that aren't total crap or port! The campaign looks mediocre, the online looks great and solid. Same as with Halo 3. And yes I know Halo 3 is a better game then the conduit. Still doesn't justify all the crap reviews, I'm not talking about the scores here, but what's in the reviews.

That's just sad... I'm not a fanboy, killzone 2 looks great, I never said it didn't look great. I said I didn't get a wow feeling of the freaking grey world. Compare the design art of metroid prime to the one of killzone 2. Compare the atmosphere... Please do... Killzone 2 doesn't come close to the greatness of metroid prime in terms of that stuff. That's more important then how great the game looks in terms of technical graphics. I'm not a fanboy, I'm a fan, you look more like a fanboy to me. There are more then 500million people who disagree with you. The 50 million people owning a wii, 100 million people owning a ds and many more people who don't game. Yeah, I made a bad argument to make yours look even more bad. I'm THAT good.

Ok, what do controls have to do with graphics though? You're denying that wii control for fps is worse then dual analog because graphics look better on ps3 then on wii? Yeah, you make a lot of sense...

My thing is if you're comparing APPLES to APPLES then I'm fine with it. But when reviews compare High def graphics to Standard def who are the reviewers fooling? It's assumption that the person reading the review would have no clue that HD SHOULD look better then STD.

...To me a professional review should be Apples to Apples. Take the PS3 and KZ2, it was stunning on PS3, and comparing it to the previous visual stunnas' on the PS3 it can be argued that it's the best. I don't need the reviewer comparing it to what the 360 can do, PLENTY of fans of the system will do that. Thats really all I ask...

*whispers* good post Dno, thats the meat of the discussion I'm talkin bout...

So does that mean that every DS game should get 0 marks for graphics?

Should the XBox 360 and PS3 versions of games get docked marks because a high-end gaming PC can render the same game with higher detail and more advanced shaders at a higher resolution at a better framerate?

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The truth is that videogames should be reviewed for what they are, not what they are not. Tiger Woods for the PS3 and XBox 360 should not have critical reviews because the dual analogue controller can not match the experience of playing Tiger Woods on the Wii. People read reviews because they want to know how good a game is for a platform they own, they really don't care how it stack up against games they can't play on a platform they don't own.

'Biased' or 'generally considering Wii games bad'? Because if it's just 'biased', it needs to be in General Gaming instead of Nintendo Discussion. Also, I love the way these things start appearing only when something triggers them, like the Gamepro review has done now. That's pretty understandable though. Also, @OP: your name doesn't exactly make you look like anything but a fanboy.

Anyway, a few good points and probably a few more bad points.

so do I.

Yeah this probably should be under Gaming cause it applies to ALL reviews. Too many fanboys calling themselves journalist these days...I blame Wii Fit.