Actually, Perfect Dark had co-op campaign play and even counter co-op (I don't think any other game has counter co-op, but it's brilliant!) And come to think of it, even the N64 version of Hexen had campaign co-op.

Damn, good memory!  I'll edit my respone.

I agree with most of your post but I feel the need to correct this point. MOH:H2 did not have horrid sales. With others date, it sold near 600k (conservative estimate based on online accounts). 600k is pretty good for a game of that type and has generated a healthy profit for EA for sure.

Was this mesnt to be s good thing?  Walking around in these huge areas that looked completely the same made this game the most tedious, most boring thing I ever experienced.  Oh how I wished for the opportunity to move from one room to another that looked different from whence I came.  Plus fighting the same boring annoying aliens and using the same boring gun.  Oh my goodness I don't even want to think of how boring this game was.  That it was so successful makes me wonder whether Microsoft brain washed people.

@disolitude - Tribes had vehicles that had passengers that could shoot.  Tribes also had huge outdoor environments.

And I would have to disagree profusely with the person who said that huge outdoor environments are crap.

" I can't think of another shooter with a campaign co-op that came before Halo, even though the concept existed in other genres."

Perfect Dark in 2000 and even before that, Duke Nukem 64, 1997 i believe..

On topic, why focus only on the shortcomings of TC? It has IMO way more positive things than negative ones.

- Great Wii graphics
- Great(probably the best) controls with complete customizing options
- Strong and online component, again probably the best
- It's an exlusive, so no watering down here
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The sales i'm not sure about, it should do better than cod5 first week because TC is an exlusive. Cod5 was about 60 - 70k first week? This should do more, or at least i hope it will, 100 - 125k i would guess..

Thanks, I already edited my post to include Perfect Dark in that section (can't believe I forgot the co-op in that one).

You're 100% correct, Local Multiplayer is a must have for an FPS, it will definetly hurt sales,

I forgot to say my predicted 1st week sales.

125k-175k. That range. I say 135k.

Ok guys, calm down...

I am sorry for using the word "mediocre". I didn't mean to say that it was bad because it wasn't abad game at all. I didn't knew what other word use to means that is not innovating. I never stated that it was bad. I don't hate that franchise, I am not that big fan of it. That's it.

Anyways..

Many are saying that local multiplayer is dying? That's absurd. As long as videogames keep beeing social stuff, multiplayer will be always a big part. Of course, not all games deman multiplayer (like a regular zelda or a regular Resident evil) but others like FPS, they are just suited to that kind of gameplay.

I think is cool it has online but online will never, ever substitute being in a room with your friends having fun. Of course, some will like it without it and can live without it. Cool. But we must think in a more broader way.

I think that Conduit will sell well but I still THINK that it would sell better with a local multiplayer. Of course I may be wrong but let's not forget that videogames have many simmilarities with board games.

Let's take for example Mario Kart wii. If that game would had only LM it would have been criticized by the Nintendo core gamers but it would have sold anyway. People love to play it with friends. If that game would sell only with Online multiplayer it would have sell to the Nintendo core but won't had the huge sells it has nowadays. I know by experience.

Also, look at Killzone 2. Some were upset that it hadn't LM.

Whatever..let's wait until it is released and we'll see how it performs. I won't buy it until I see if is worthy.