BladeOfGod said:
I checked the numbers in this thread and apperently, SCE never had a loss close to 7 billion (hell, i dont even think they had that huge loss in entire company's history): |
Oy vey you are difficult.
SCE DOES NOT EQUAL PS3 ONLY!
SCE includes PS2, PSP and PS3... they report profits for the division, not for each console..... think about it.... before the PSP came (FY 2003 in liquid ninjas thread) along SCE was making $1 billion per year, so that is what the PS2 is capable of profit wise... PS2 on it's own probably made a bit more than that in the following 2 years (FY2004/5) BUT some of those profits were masked by the PSP, which was draining money at the time.... which is why SCE made $600 million, followed by $400 million instead of making over $1 billion like they would have done without the PSP.
The drop in profits for FY 2006 down to only $77 million is too large to be PSP only... I would estimate that that year was relatively break even for PSP, or at lease minimal losses, but the PS2 was still selling amazingly, as was it's software, so without PSP and PS3 influence they would probably have made at least close to $1 billion.... instead though, they barely made a profit.
Then the big ones... SCE lost $2 billion, then $1 billion, and last year lost $600 million. During those 3 years, both the PS2 and PSP were definately profitable.... so if the PS3 had not been there, the division would have made profits... estimating those profits is what I am doing to show that the PS3 has lost Sony a lot more than $4 billion..... because the PS3 both wiped out any profit made, as well as adding huge losses too.
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So you don't just look at those figures in that thread... it is not too difficult to pick apart the 4 PS consoles (PS1,2,3 and P) because they launched at seperate times.... the Xboxs would be simple to pull apart too if it weren't for Zune and such, but assuming other bits of EDD have little impact is the best way to do it as we don't have a clue whether Zune etc made a proft or a loss.
Nintendo is a little more difficult to pull apart, partly because of the longer history, but also because through that history they had multiple consoles/handhelds at the same time, particularly if they launched within a year like the GBA and GC.
BladeOfGod said:
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Yes, it is (well Sony's actually). 4D gaming... People will get a second job to buy one... It will sell 6 million even if it didn't have any games...
They hyped the PS3 to holy hell and back. It is 100% their fault.
rafichamp said: @TheTruth, actually the PS3 all together has lost Sony about 2.5 billion dollars since 2006. The xbox has lost microsoft 9 billion dollars, just the xbox. Then the 360 has lost microsoft 600 million dollars. There is a thread about this. |
Lol, that's a nice cherry picking, you aren't counting a lot of factors in that comment, but supposing that it's like this (which is NOT) i think like i stated earlier, that a company around 8 times bigger than Sony can deal to have around a 300-400% of loses of Sony.
Jo21 said:
so whats 360 a 5th grader? they both in third place and always compared. and also the same time frame 360 it's behind the ps3 with a cheaper price. |
Honestly Jo be a bit more mature, you see somebody insult the PS3 and you have to take a jab at the 360 .. really lame.
And FYI Twesterm wasn't call the PS3 a 4th grader he was using it as a comparison as to how stupid this topic is.
CrazzyMan said: @shokenchi, 100$ price cut will lead to better software sales and movie sales = more money from soft. =) @twesterm, MOST EXPENSIVE console this gen is doing MUCH better, then MOST CHEAPEST console last gen. =) |
Nobody's perfect. I aint nobody!!!
Killzone 2. its not a fps. it a FIRST PERSON WAR SIMULATOR!!!! ..The true PLAYSTATION 3 launch date and market dominations is SEP 1st
Interesting topic. Maybe there should also be a comparison of Gamecube to PS3 profit/loss as well?
I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.
I'm worried and scared to death: if Sony really has tons of big announcements this E3, even worse if a lot of them are for 2009 too, will Crazzy transform into a Super Shark Saiyan???
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)