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Last time I checked most countries in Europe also have a concept of freedom...
Even people without work get paid €1000(or something like that) a month in Europe. Now THATS freedom.



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Moongoddess256 said:
Because we were founded upon a very clear concept of freedom? Where religion was very specifically mentioned? Or did you just ignore my post?

 

 To define a nation works on many different levels. The principles of the grounding is one, and it's official modern stand on issues is another. But you could also define based on actual reality. The US can be defined as Christian based on Christianity's huge influence on the Nation and it's people, and because the vast majority of it's pop is Christian.

It doesn't contradict with freedom of religion.



We are not here to propagate a religion. We do not fight wars as Christians. We do not deal in any government matters as Christians.

At least I would hope not.



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Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have to join a church in some European countries? I thought the church systems is how some kept track of there people, so while you don't have to practice, you do have to join.

As for giving people $1000 making your country more free.. it's only free for the people who get it. For the ones paying it, it's a lot less free.



The US is not a christian nation. Most of the founding fathers were not christians and saw the evil that religion can have. Thats why there is the freedom of religion. Also Europe has some of the least religion nations.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have to join a church in some European countries? I thought the church systems is how some kept track of there people, so while you don't have to practice, you do have to join.

As for giving people $1000 making your country more free.. it's only free for the people who get it. For the ones paying it, it's a lot less free.

 

Do I get $1000 too? Then it seems free to me!



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Good to hear it, because I think we forget about this sometimes.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have to join a church in some European countries? I thought the church systems is how some kept track of there people, so while you don't have to practice, you do have to join.

As for giving people $1000 making your country more free.. it's only free for the people who get it. For the ones paying it, it's a lot less free.

 

You are indeed wrong. And the US was founded on the principles of keeping church and state seperate and giving everyone the freedom of worship. It was only during the 50's and 60's that the Bible bashers gained infuence and America then started to percieve it'self as a Christian nation.



Obama = Atheist... I knew it lol.

OT: US is not a Christian nation, any nation that allows freedom of speech cannot by definition be a religious nation.



There are many countries in Europe where the Church has a significant official position, and indeed you can say "the Church" and there's only one organization you could possibly be referring to, they're generally symbolic these days.

I haven't paid much attention to it, but the discourse around the position of the Church in Finland seems to revolve around arguments like "you know... this obscure law I found could be considered discriminatory against non-Lutherans" and "well yeah, but is it really worth the time of our busy legislators to change stuff like that?". ^^