786_ali said:
PS1 includes the whole world, not only japan.
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No, it doesn't. VGChartz only has PS1 numbers for Japan, so whether you select All or Japan, you're only getting Japan numbers.
Darc Requiem said:
Sales numbers don't back up that statement. 360 sales are up year over and year and PS3 sales are down. Their has been no question that the PS3 has will will continue to have an advantage over the 360 in Japan. However, it's advantage is Japan is nothing compared to the 360's marketshare advantage in the West. In the past that would not matter, but the Japanese market is the smallest market now. Not only that the Wii's lead in Japan is near insurmountable. Between Japanese devs increasing focusing on titles that sell in the West and putting Japanese centric main titles( Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest 10, Tales of Graces) on the Wii. The Japanese market isn't going to be that big of an aid the PS3. As for the Japanese sales comparison between the PS1, PS2, and PS3. The PS3 has been on the market in Japan for 125 weeks. It's sold less than a third of what the PS2 has old during that time, and less than half of what the PS1 sold. Here is the link below. http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS®1=Japan&cons2=PS2®2=Japan&cons3=PS3®3=Japan&weeks=125 |
Yeah, and the PSP wasn't doing so hot there in Japan for its first two to three years either but now it is very definitely the second most popular console in Japan and many weeks it finishes in first place and had the best selling game released in Japan in 2008. I don't see why the PS3 can't follow a similar path which is what it in fact seems to be doing having beaten the Wii for the past five weeks.
As for more Japanese companies wanting to put their games on the 360 in order for them to sell well in the West. If the PS3 sales enough consoles in Japan (and I would say that 5 million would be getting closer to that figure, then Japanese companies might not care to bring their games out in the West. They wouldn't have to worry about paying voice actors and actresses or translators for Western localizations of the games for one thing if they could sell enough copies in Japan), and for a second point after God of War III, Uncharted 2, and GT5 comes out in Europe, the PS3's total numbers worldwide will be close to 25 to 30 million consoles sold meaning that they would be large enough that Japanese companies wouldn't need to put them on 360 in order for them to sell well. Also, if the games are niche jrpgs or based off of popular anime properties, then there would be more incentive to put them on the PS3 in the West as the PS3 audience for these types of games is much bigger than the 360's audience for these types of games. Compare Star Ocean's sales on PS2 to its sales on the 360.
Heavens to Murgatoids.
BTFeather55 everything you just stated was addressed in initial post. Japanese centric games are pretty much Wii Bound this point. The "West-friendly" tiles the Japanese developers are working on won't be affected by Japanese sales. The 360 has sold nearly 29 million consoles out side of Japan to the PS3's 18 million. Historically the second place console in Japan sells between 4 to 6 million consoles. The PS3 won't be able to sell enough consoles in Japan to make up for the 360's lead in the West.
Unless they were already deep into production for an HD platform. RPG's and other Japanese centric titles would have a better chance at profitability on the Wii. The Wii has lower development costs and twice as many users. If the Wii wasn't so successful in Japan, I could see your point about Japanese devs switching to the PS3 but that isn't the case. While it's fallen behind the PS2's pace, the Wii is still well ahead of the PS1's userbase for the same period of time in Japan.
Just as any consumer would want their product they bought to be the best. When you feel you made the right purchase you want to know that no one else can stand up to it. The insecurity ppl often feel is that they might have made a bad purchase and want to justify themselves by saying the other products out there stink. Which sometimes is the true bases fo being a fanboy. It goes for any system a person buys. In a perfect world everyone would have all the systems and no one would ever bash. But this isn't a perfect world.....
| BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, and the PSP wasn't doing so hot there in Japan for its first two to three years either but now it is very definitely the second most popular console in Japan and many weeks it finishes in first place and had the best selling game released in Japan in 2008. I don't see why the PS3 can't follow a similar path which is what it in fact seems to be doing having beaten the Wii for the past five weeks.
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Darc has covered most of your other points but I thought I would adress this one ...
As you can see, while the PSP wasn't performing like the PS2 it wasn't nearly as bad as the PS3 has performed; if the PS3's sales increased by 50% per month it would approach the sales rate of the PSP before it got the recent boost.
At the end of this generation it will be difficult to really compare b/c I believe (just like the Xbox) the Xbox 360 support will end early in light of a new console coming out first, perhaps a whole year ahead of the competition again. MS could stop selling the console after a year to force its fan base to buy the new hardware.
On that note it would it be more fair to determine a 'relative' winner based on how many years the console was selling on the market?
So Xbox is heading towards 4 years (this Nov 22nd)
PS3 is heading towards 3 years (this Nov 11th Japan, 17th US)
Wii is heading towards 3 years (this Nov 19th).
So if you think about it the PS3 has a chance of coming in 2nd place. Sony would have an extra year later down the road when the price of the console will be more in line with a 360 price point of $199.99. The extra year could start ticking once MS stops selling 360. This could give us our 'relative' winner based on number of years on the market. I believe this will crown the Wii victorious. Then Xbox 360. Then PS3. These two will be very close I believe.
Would that be a fair assessment? Can we give the PS3 the advantage any further than a year to compare if it stays on the market for another 3-5 after MS stops selling?
I believe the additional years could count toward the 'final' winner of this generation. As long as one console from this generation in STILL selling at RETAIL and that console eventually ends up on top, then that console can be declared the 'final' winner of this generation. There is no question PS2 was the 'final' winner of last generation the moment Xbox and GameCube stopped selling. It's amazing the PS2 continues to sell nearly 9 years after its launch.
Therefore, I think its a good sign for PS3 when it hits the $99 price point on year 9 or 10. PS4 will have some tough competition within the Playstation family on its launch too!
My prediction for the 'final' winners of this console generation is:
1. Wii
2. PS3
3. Xbox 360
Again, I have the 'relative' winner (based on years on the market) Wii in 1st with 360 in 2nd place. PS3 in third. Wii will probably sell close to as much as the PS2 did and will likely remain on the market for 10 years also making it nearly impossible for PS3 to catch up. The PS3 would have to sell for 15-20 years as long as people are still willing to buy it and Sony can make money. How about a $19.99 slimline PS3 blu-ray player anyone? I know I would buy a couple more at this price if Sony could afford to sell it 
Because the PS3's a piece of crap with no future. Anyone that supports it is wasting their time and money. Now If you'll excuse me I'm gonna get some SOCOM time in.
4 ≈ One
| Darc Requiem said: BTFeather55 everything you just stated was addressed in initial post. Japanese centric games are pretty much Wii Bound this point. The "West-friendly" tiles the Japanese developers are working on won't be affected by Japanese sales. The 360 has sold nearly 29 million consoles out side of Japan to the PS3's 18 million. Historically the second place console in Japan sells between 4 to 6 million consoles. The PS3 won't be able to sell enough consoles in Japan to make up for the 360's lead in the West. Unless they were already deep into production for an HD platform. RPG's and other Japanese centric titles would have a better chance at profitability on the Wii. The Wii has lower development costs and twice as many users. If the Wii wasn't so successful in Japan, I could see your point about Japanese devs switching to the PS3 but that isn't the case. While it's fallen behind the PS2's pace, the Wii is still well ahead of the PS1's userbase for the same period of time in Japan. |
It really depends upon quality versus quantity when it comes to Wii and PS3 development. If the developers are true artists and want to bring out the best game they can with graphics that look as close as they can get them to the concept art or anime they'll choose to put their games on PS3 (much as Square and Sega are doing now putting games like Final Fantasy Agito on PSP while putting remakes on DS and Sega with games like Yakuza 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles on PS3). If on the other hand, all they care about is the bottom line they would put them on Wii. However, that could change. If a $400 to $500 PS3 can beat a $250.00 Wii five weeks in a row, then imagine what a $300.00 to $350.00 Playstation would be doing against the Wii at this time in Japan. It would consistently be selling as well as the PSP does to the DS.
Heavens to Murgatoids.
| HideoK said: At the end of this generation it will be difficult to really compare b/c I believe (just like the Xbox) the Xbox 360 support will end early in light of a new console coming out first, perhaps a whole year ahead of the competition again. MS could stop selling the console after a year to force its fan base to buy the new hardware. On that note it would it be more fair to determine a 'relative' winner based on how many years the console was selling on the market? So Xbox is heading towards 4 years (this Nov 22nd) PS3 is heading towards 3 years (this Nov 11th Japan, 17th US) Wii is heading towards 3 years (this Nov 19th). So if you think about it the PS3 has a chance of coming in 2nd place. Sony would have an extra year later down the road when the price of the console will be more in line with a 360 price point of $199.99. The extra year could start ticking once MS stops selling 360. This could give us our 'relative' winner based on number of years on the market. I believe this will crown the Wii victorious. Then Xbox 360. Then PS3. These two will be very close I believe. Would that be a fair assessment? Can we give the PS3 the advantage any further than a year to compare if it stays on the market for another 3-5 after MS stops selling? I believe the additional years could count toward the 'final' winner of this generation. As long as one console from this generation in STILL selling at RETAIL and that console eventually ends up on top, then that console can be declared the 'final' winner of this generation. There is no question PS2 was the 'final' winner of last generation the moment Xbox and GameCube stopped selling. It's amazing the PS2 continues to sell nearly 9 years after its launch. Therefore, I think its a good sign for PS3 when it hits the $99 price point on year 9 or 10. PS4 will have some tough competition within the Playstation family on its launch too! My prediction for the 'final' winners of this console generation is: 1. Wii 2. PS3 3. Xbox 360 Again, I have the 'relative' winner (based on years on the market) Wii in 1st with 360 in 2nd place. PS3 in third. Wii will probably sell close to as much as the PS2 did and will likely remain on the market for 10 years also making it nearly impossible for PS3 to catch up. The PS3 would have to sell for 15-20 years as long as people are still willing to buy it and Sony can make money. How about a $19.99 slimline PS3 blu-ray player anyone? I know I would buy a couple more at this price if Sony could afford to sell it |
Well, that is making a couple of assumptions which I'm not certain can be made ...
Support for the XBox dropped off so quickly after the release of the XBox 360 because the original XBox could not be manufacturered anymore (due to licencing issues) and most games that were under development for the XBox could be released on the PS2 or ported to the XBox 360 (and in many cases both) and remain viable. From my (limited) understanding Microsoft was far more careful about licencing agreements than they were with the XBox, and so many HD console games are multi-platform because they need to be released for both platforms in order to justify the development costs ... As long as the PS3 is on the market it is highly likely that the XBox 360 will share the bulk of third party games with the PS3.
At the same time, the release of the XBox 360 didn't seem to have much of an initial impact on the market-leading PS2 but it did seem to have a huge impact on the Gamecube. There are two reasons for this, there are finite development resources and reshuffling resources towards a new console tends to come at the expense of the lowest selling consoles on the market, and many selling features (like advanced graphics or Blu-Ray playback) can often be dramatically improved upon in the "Next Generation" console at a very affordable price ...
In other words there is nothing that is saying the release of the next XBox system would have a dramatically worse impact on the support that the XBox 360 receives in comparison to the PS3, and there is nothing saying that the PS3 wouldn't see a decrease in sales.
BTFeather did you just use the "developers will want to make games they can't make on the Wii" argument when you're talking about Japanese developers?
The guys who have made the DS the system to own?
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