Oh, Zen, why so little response? The rest of my post too big for you, or what? Oh I wish you had explained why you chose to just ignore most of it.
ZenFoldorVGI said:
2 things.
Your first paragraph. The PS3 did "suck" for the first year. It had virtually no good exclusives, BR had very little content, it cost $599 dollars, and its generally accepted that the console had performed very poorly. MGS4 was a huge turning point. The console most certainly did "suck" early on, and I've be interested to hear your arguments as to why it didn't.
The point of it is not in whether or not it sucked, and you have bereaved my quote of context by presenting it in this way.
The point is that it is not universally acknowledged as sucking in its first year, not by its detractors and certainly not by its fa-
You know what?
Your failure to reply to the majority of my post leaves me free to just copy/paste the parts that already deal with what you're saying here. To whit:
Khuutra said:
Few reasonable detractors have ever claimed that the system sucked. Perhaps that its value differential versus its price differential did not justify its purchase instead of a 360, sure (I have said that myself), but not that the PS3 sucked.
No supporters of the system would acknowledge that they would celebrate the PS3 "not sucking", because this implies that there was a space of time in which one would say that the PS3 did suck. This is not going to be true for the vast majority of people, much less the people for whom the PS3 is the platform of choice.
Secondly, you're going to have to qualify in what way the console previously sucked. You speak of a comeback in terms of quality, but in what way has the qualitative shift of its library been any different from its competitors? If this is not the metric to which you refer, then what the Hell are you talking about?
ZenFoldorVGI said:
Your final paragraph. This topic was clearly labled as a State of the Union. The real state of the PS3, not the hyped one. Yes, it pisses every Sony fan off, who would rather live by some inflated overhyped lie, as to how "great and infallable" their console is. Unless you didn't know, many people are loving this thread, including myself, and I thought it was just grand.
Khuutra said:
Don't go reminding people that opinions are subjective and then try to imply that there's an objective standard of limitations in terms of how they may celebrate their own perceptions of the console. You will end up tripping over your own feet from crossing them so much.
Khuutra said:
You are in exactly no position to make any kind of value judgement as to how much celebration of this particular console is appropriate or not.
Khuutra said:
Let me make sure I got this straight.
You came in here to say that the Playstation doesn't suck, but it isn't fantastic like everyone lieks to pretend. The reason for this is that Sony has abandoned the gamers, and you have somehow equated business decisions concerning the penetration of new hardware with a moral scale which precludes using one piece of technology as a Trojan horse for another, which is exactly what the PS2 was, too.
Then you go on to say that, hey, at least you didn't say the PS3 sucked, so at least you aren't flaming, right fellas? Right?
This topic doesn't actually have any message to it, no single cohesive thread of logic that binds it all together. This is a bunch of disassociated statements of barely tenable quality or accuracy whose only relation to each other is that they're meant to rile people up.
So far, easiest post I've ever made.
That's saying something.
ZenFoldorVGI said:
If you don't like it, I could give a shit, btw.
You mean "could
not give a shit". There's a difference between colloquialisms and grammatical butchery.
ZenFoldorVGI said:
It's the way things are mostly(imho), and you'd be hard up to find a more valid opinion on this forum.
Khuutra said:
Don't go reminding people that opinions are subjective and then try to imply that there's an objective standard of limitations in terms of how they may celebrate their own perceptions of the console. You will end up tripping over your own feet from crossing them so much.
Khuutra said:
I'm going to take a moment to ponder over this. Just for a second.
Khuutra said:
The worst part of this is how much it doesn't make sense. Yeah, I feel confident saying that.
I am just as capable of using my own words out of context. I just make the attempt at making them seem appropriate.
How about some original material, now.
ZenFoldorVGI:
Degrading my thread in every way possible doesn't make it cease to be, and it doesn't lessen or marginalize my studied opinion.
In the first place: I do not have to
denigrate your thread, it was built on foundations so faulty that it barely needs to be addressed in the first place. Your operative assumption, that you are in any position whatsoever as to speak to PS3 fans as to the appropriateness of their celebrations, is fallacious to the point of absurdity.
In the second place: your opinion is neither studied nor exactly an opinion. An opinion implies that there is a foundation off of which it may be based, not the unreasoned thing that has been posted here. It is like claiming to make an educated guess when you are plainly making a blind shot in the dark: it is dishonest, it is a misuse of terms, and it's not even very funny to watch.
ZenFoldorVGI said:
On the contrary, posters like you, attempting to guise their flaming with "intelligent commentary" do me more good than harm.
You are misusing "flaming". Feel free to point out any point in my previous post where I flamed you.
ZenFoldorVGI said:You are the ones I made this for. Enjoy it.
I don't even own a PS3. That does not make this topic more well-founded.
ZenFoldorVGI said:If you think I'm strong when I'm battling the whole forum, you should see my power concentrated on just one poster.
Uh-huh. That's what you said last time, too, but I remain unimpressed. Stating your opinions is not good debating, failing to qualify them is not good debating.
And not responding to 90% of a post? Why, that's not good debating at all.
