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It seems to me that, for far too long, we've been getting very excited about the prospect of this console "not sucking."

Early this gen, many of us pretty much wrote it off, but it made a comeback. It didn't become an epic console. Basically, it just started to not suck.

Unfortunately, we're treating the PS3's ability to not suck, as if it won the superbowl. Here are just a few specific examples of this fanbased ignorance:

A. We get excited because the PS3's software sales are "starting to catch up to the 360."

B. We get super-pumped over the biggest console exclusive for the PS3 selling 4 million LTD.

C. We call the big three AAA exclusive games on the PS3 "the best games in their genre," and/or "the best game/s of all time."

D. We flame multiplatform games, if they don't sell well on the PS3, despite their quality, like Bioshock. We also make up conditions as to why certain didn't meet expectations(ie: "sold well for a new IP" or "sold well for February" ect.)

This generation is very polarizing and its very sad to see that in most cases, this bias has spread through the veins of most videogame entheusiast reporters.

Now, there are a few things we need to remember about the PS3 before we start clamoring over how great the console has done this generation, by pulling itself out of the muck that it started from:

1. The console still has very poor Jrpg support by any standard. This is a travesty we can place directly on Sony's head.

2. Sony has decided to no longer support 3rd party exclusive games, instead concentrating on its first and second party party, admittedly western-centric titles, at cost to Sony fans, with profits as a motive. This is in stark contrast to the gamer-centric strategy of Sony's main competition. The Lost and the Damned, for instance, is a AAA loss likely due directly to Sony's cheapness.

This has also led to the loss of every major 3rd party Playstation brand associated game, from DMC to FFXIII, to Tekken, as well as a wealth of DLC.

3. The PS3 is still on pace to easily end up in 3rd place this gen, and in fact, it is almost impossible mathematically to come up with any scenerio which would keep the PS3 out of dead last. The PS3 lost this generation. The gamecube also, didn't suck.

4. Even if it didn't lose this generation, which it did, the console still went from the most epic of wins, the PS2, to a degredation of its namesake, the near ruination of the Playstation brand, and all of this is attributed directly to Sony's attempt to push early adoption of Blu-Ray at the expense of its gaming fanbase.

4. The console still costs 399 dollars. This, above all else, is an unacceptable fiasco.

5. The console is still significantly behind in game library according to the quantifiable methods of determination, aggregate reviews and/or overall game sales. This is an admittedly weak point, but still, it's the only quantifiable methods we have to determine such things as game library quality and more importantly, game library popularity.

6. HOME has been underwhelming, and XBL is still the superior online service by most accounts, despite huge steps Sony has taken to make the services equal.

7. Sony actually and purposefully removed Backwards Compatibility, in what we can only assume was an attempt to sell more Playstation 2s. This is an insult to all consumers, and equivelant to a price hike.

Now, sure, the PS3 has many things going for it.

1. Graphics are currently superior to the main competition, judging by Killzone 2.

2. Free online gaming.

3. Blu-Ray player.

4. Exclusive lineup for 09 appears to be good and/or great.

5. Sony has done a good job of feature chasing with HOME, controller, and trophies.

These, however, aren't the dominant claims of a winning console.

These are the braggotries of a console's fanbase, discussing a console which many expected to suck, but which actually ended up not sucking.

Just remember this console's position. Not everyone is as entheuiastic as you are about it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad console, however, in an effort to prove it doesn't suck, most of you hype it as the second coming. This isn't the Playstation 1.

The PS3 doesn't suck.

Celebrating that is fine, but let's not go overboard.

Flamers, if you must....get to it.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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How nice of you to publish this. This makes me feel better inside. Almost made me cry of the thought that one of my consoles dont suck. Thank you once again. You're a true hero of this nex-gen!



ZenfoldorVGI said:

It seems to me that, for far too long, we've been getting very excited about the prospect of this console "not sucking."

Early this gen, many of us pretty much wrote it off, but it made a comeback. It didn't become an epic console. Basically, it just started to not suck.

Unfortunately, we're treating the PS3's ability to not suck, as if it won the superbowl. Here are just a few specific examples of this fanbased ignorance:

A. We get excited because the PS3's software sales are "starting to catch up to the 360."

B. We get super-pumped over the biggest console exclusive for the PS3 selling 4 million LTD.

C. We call the big three AAA exclusive games on the PS3 "the best games in their genre," and/or "the best game/s of all time."

D. We flame multiplatform games, if they don't sell well on the PS3, despite their quality, like Bioshock. We also make up conditions as to why certain didn't meet expectations(ie: "sold well for a new IP" or "sold well for February" ect.)

This generation is very polarizing and its very sad to see that in most cases, this bias has spread through the veins of most videogame entheusiast reporters.

Now, there are a few things we need to remember about the PS3 before we start clamoring over how great the console has done this generation, by pulling itself out of the muck that it started from:

1. The console still has very poor Jrpg support by any standard. This is a travesty we can place directly on Sony's head.

2. Sony has decided to no longer support 3rd party exclusive games, instead concentrating on its first and second party party, admittedly western-centric titles, at cost to Sony fans, with profits as a motive. This is in stark contrast to the gamer-centric strategy of Sony's main competition. The Lost and the Damned, for instance, is a AAA loss likely due directly to Sony's cheapness.lool like X360 is getting 3rd party excluisves left and right and please by all means keep GTA:L&D

This has also led to the loss of every major 3rd party Playstation brand associated game, from DMC to FFXIII, to Tekken, as well as a wealth of DLC.Xbox has alos lost many excluisves to PS like doom and NG and bioshock and,....

3. The PS3 is still on pace to easily end up in 3rd place this gen, and in fact, it is almost impossible mathematically to come up with any scenerio which would keep the PS3 out of dead last. The PS3 lost this generation. The gamecube also, didn't suck.

4. Even if it didn't lose this generation, which it did, the console still went from the most epic of wins, the PS2, to a degredation of its namesake, the near ruination of the Playstation brand, and all of this is attributed directly to Sony's attempt to push early adoption of Blu-Ray at the expense of its gaming fanbase.as long as they learn from it ,,it's fine (meaning not to launch another $700 console)

4. The console still costs 399 dollars. This, above all else, is an unacceptable fiasco.

5. The console is still significantly behind in game library according to the quantifiable methods of determination, aggregate reviews and/or overall game sales. This is an admittedly weak point, but still, it's the only quantifiable methods we have to determine such things as game library quality and more importantly, game library popularity.if you tale off your sony hate glasses you see that on sony side there many many great games and it's growing at a faster rate compared to X360.

6. HOME has been underwhelming, and XBL is still the superior online service by most accounts, despite huge steps Sony has taken to make the services equal.

7. Sony actually and purposefully removed Backwards Compatibility, in what we can only assume was an attempt to sell more Playstation 2s. This is an insult to all consumers, and equivelant to a price hike.

Now, sure, the PS3 has many things going for it.

1. Graphics are currently superior to the main competition, judging by Killzone 2.

2. Free online gaming.

3. Blu-Ray player.

4. Exclusive lineup for 09 appears to be good and/or great.

5. Sony has done a good job of feature chasing with HOME, controller, and trophies.

These, however, aren't the dominant claims of a winning console.

These are the braggotries of a console's fanbase, discussing a console which many expected to suck, but which actually ended up not sucking.

Just remember this console's position. Not everyone is as entheuiastic as you are about it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad console, however, in an effort to prove it doesn't suck, most of you hype it as the second coming. This isn't the Playstation 1.

The PS3 doesn't suck.

Celebrating that is fine, but let's not go overboard.

Flamers, if you must....get to it.

Responses are edited in your post

 

PS3 is a very very good console and you putting this much time to type these non sense just shows your haterd for sony which is fine by me.but don't make your thoughts rule and shove it in our faces.

 

to me PS3>>>>>>>X360 (from both hardware and software point of view)and there is no way anyone can change that for me.

 

 

Stop being so bitter about PS3.

 

I would be more worried about X360 09 line up rather than writing this non sense to make you feel better.

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

SpartanFX said:

 

Stop being so bitter about PS3.

 

I would be more worried about X360 09 line up rather than writing this non sense to make you feel better.

 

I don't think it's non-sense. I don't think it requires a response. I'm not bitter about anything, and I could care less about the Xbox 360 and it's "lineup."

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

axumblade said:
The PS3 doesn't suck. <~ Can I Quote you on that for the next time I see you blasting the PS3 for no apparent reason?

 

Attacking the poster instead of addressing his method is damage control 101, though I see no reason for damage control. I've stated nothing but what I feel is the honest truth imo. It is not meant to be hostile. Perhaps you could give us your version of the PS3 state of the union.

As for quoting me, feel free. I've been wrong in the past and I'm sure I will be in the future.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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What are you talking about, there are so many things wrong with what you said. Sony is a company, they make company decisions so there able to keep making PS3's and games, if they wanted to win the console war and come out with risky games left and right just to please the consumers then they'd be out of business a long time ago. There making all the right decision so that the gaming division becomes profitable (or not as non-profitable), give it time, once there not in so much of a pickle they'll start to shine.



This post is about as useless as if i were to go..

A. We always blast forums with Playstation questions when we often dont even have a console, but we always seem to wonder whats up with Sony.

B. We blame Japan for every title the PS3 outsells us on. Like street figher and Resident Evil 5. Since those are big in Japan.

C. We always rant about or superior game library when in fact all we do is play Halo 3. What else is there? Really?

D. We get super mad when ever some one writes a Wii vs 360 comparisson, because thats just not fair. And we can use the "Hey, Wii is not for gamers"-punchline.

...

But still 360 dont suck. I'll give you that. I enjoy it still. And you should too. But i just thought i'd be kind enought to let you all now that 360 users are kind of weird, but the console isnt that bad. How nice am I?! You're welcome!



Yes now I have a reference to pull out if I ever need to remind myself that my PS3 does not suck, yet is still not the best damn piece of home console gaming technology ever constructed (oh wait it is).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gWECYYOSo

Please Watch/Share this video so it gets shown in Hollywood.

I think the PS3's better than both the Wii and 360. That's my opinion.

You think that it just "Doesn't suck". That's your opinion I guess.



4 ≈ One

SpartanFX said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

It seems to me that, for far too long, we've been getting very excited about the prospect of this console "not sucking."

Early this gen, many of us pretty much wrote it off, but it made a comeback. It didn't become an epic console. Basically, it just started to not suck.

Unfortunately, we're treating the PS3's ability to not suck, as if it won the superbowl. Here are just a few specific examples of this fanbased ignorance:

A. We get excited because the PS3's software sales are "starting to catch up to the 360."

B. We get super-pumped over the biggest console exclusive for the PS3 selling 4 million LTD.

C. We call the big three AAA exclusive games on the PS3 "the best games in their genre," and/or "the best game/s of all time."

D. We flame multiplatform games, if they don't sell well on the PS3, despite their quality, like Bioshock. We also make up conditions as to why certain didn't meet expectations(ie: "sold well for a new IP" or "sold well for February" ect.)

This generation is very polarizing and its very sad to see that in most cases, this bias has spread through the veins of most videogame entheusiast reporters.

Now, there are a few things we need to remember about the PS3 before we start clamoring over how great the console has done this generation, by pulling itself out of the muck that it started from:

1. The console still has very poor Jrpg support by any standard. This is a travesty we can place directly on Sony's head.

2. Sony has decided to no longer support 3rd party exclusive games, instead concentrating on its first and second party party, admittedly western-centric titles, at cost to Sony fans, with profits as a motive. This is in stark contrast to the gamer-centric strategy of Sony's main competition. The Lost and the Damned, for instance, is a AAA loss likely due directly to Sony's cheapness.lool like X360 is getting 3rd party excluisves left and right and please by all means keep GTA:L&D

This has also led to the loss of every major 3rd party Playstation brand associated game, from DMC to FFXIII, to Tekken, as well as a wealth of DLC.Xbox has alos lost many excluisves to PS like doom and NG and bioshock and,....

3. The PS3 is still on pace to easily end up in 3rd place this gen, and in fact, it is almost impossible mathematically to come up with any scenerio which would keep the PS3 out of dead last. The PS3 lost this generation. The gamecube also, didn't suck.

4. Even if it didn't lose this generation, which it did, the console still went from the most epic of wins, the PS2, to a degredation of its namesake, the near ruination of the Playstation brand, and all of this is attributed directly to Sony's attempt to push early adoption of Blu-Ray at the expense of its gaming fanbase.as long as they learn from it ,,it's fine (meaning not to launch another $700 console)

4. The console still costs 399 dollars. This, above all else, is an unacceptable fiasco.

5. The console is still significantly behind in game library according to the quantifiable methods of determination, aggregate reviews and/or overall game sales. This is an admittedly weak point, but still, it's the only quantifiable methods we have to determine such things as game library quality and more importantly, game library popularity.if you tale off your sony hate glasses you see that on sony side there many many great games and it's growing at a faster rate compared to X360.

6. HOME has been underwhelming, and XBL is still the superior online service by most accounts, despite huge steps Sony has taken to make the services equal.

7. Sony actually and purposefully removed Backwards Compatibility, in what we can only assume was an attempt to sell more Playstation 2s. This is an insult to all consumers, and equivelant to a price hike.

Now, sure, the PS3 has many things going for it.

1. Graphics are currently superior to the main competition, judging by Killzone 2.

2. Free online gaming.

3. Blu-Ray player.

4. Exclusive lineup for 09 appears to be good and/or great.

5. Sony has done a good job of feature chasing with HOME, controller, and trophies.

These, however, aren't the dominant claims of a winning console.

These are the braggotries of a console's fanbase, discussing a console which many expected to suck, but which actually ended up not sucking.

Just remember this console's position. Not everyone is as entheuiastic as you are about it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad console, however, in an effort to prove it doesn't suck, most of you hype it as the second coming. This isn't the Playstation 1.

The PS3 doesn't suck.

Celebrating that is fine, but let's not go overboard.

Flamers, if you must....get to it.

Responses are edited in your post

PS3 is a very very good console and you putting this much time to type these non sense just shows your haterd for sony which is fine by me.but don't make your thoughts rule and shove it in our faces.

to me PS3>>>>>>>X360 (from both hardware and software point of view)and there is no way anyone can change that for me.

Stop being so bitter about PS3.

I would be more worried about X360 09 line up rather than writing this non sense to make you feel better.

I know that for you the PS3 is a better console than the Xbox 360.  But Zenfolder's point is that most people, and all medium's that even approach objective opinion, do not share this belief.

Indeed, there is no reasonable justification for the notion that the PS3 will ever possess more high quality games than the Xbox 360, that the PS3 will ever sell more than the Xbox 360 or that the PS3 will ever be better value as a GAMES console (Blu-Ray not withstanding) than the Xbox 360.

You can argue personal opinion all you want and you are welcome to it.  But Zenfolder is discussing quantifiable fact.

 



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