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griffinA on 08 March 2009

Hopefully the release of Dragon Quest X on wii will give JRPGs a boost so that their makers can choose one system to develop on.



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darthdevidem01 on 08 March 2009

Until the HALLMARKS of the genre don't come out JRPG's aren't doomed

FFXIII & DQX are the hallmarks of the genre.....we can't deem the fate of JRPG's this gen till the ones that will probably bring the JRPG fanbase to this gen come out!
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thats like saying.,.....the FPS genre was doomed due to COD 3 sales before Halo 3 even came out

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or like saying the platformer genre was doomed as the new crash bandicoot flopped....before SMG even came out

n so on



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Riachu on 08 March 2009
theshrike said:
@S.T.A.G.E.
I don't think they are doomed, few genres ever are, (well maybe westerns and musicals)

I don't want JRPG's to go away, I want them to come back with something new.

They will happen.  Especially if Western developers for some strange reason start to make them.

 

@theshrike

I think the problem with cutscenes in JRPGs isn't so much the length of them as much as it is the writing and voice acting in them.  JRPGs these days tend to suffer from terrible VA and cornball dialogue though I think that has more to do with the localization than the actual writing.  Look at MGS4, every few people I knew considered lengthy cutscenes in that game a glaring flaw.

 



 

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darthdevidem01 on 08 March 2009
Riachu said:
theshrike said:
@S.T.A.G.E.
I don't think they are doomed, few genres ever are, (well maybe westerns and musicals)

I don't want JRPG's to go away, I want them to come back with something new.

They will happen.  Especially if Western developers for some strange reason start to make them.

 

@theshrike

I think the problem with cutscenes in JRPGs isn't so much the length of them as much as it is the writing and voice acting in them.  JRPGs these days tend to suffer from terrible VA and cornball dialogue though I think that has more to do with the localization than the actual writing.  Look at MGS4, every few people I knew considered lengthy cutscenes in that game a glaring flaw.

 

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Xxain on 08 March 2009

Well Square's not the only RPG company out their ya know



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Riachu on 08 March 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Riachu said:
theshrike said:
@S.T.A.G.E.
I don't think they are doomed, few genres ever are, (well maybe westerns and musicals)

I don't want JRPG's to go away, I want them to come back with something new.

They will happen.  Especially if Western developers for some strange reason start to make them.

 

@theshrike

I think the problem with cutscenes in JRPGs isn't so much the length of them as much as it is the writing and voice acting in them.  JRPGs these days tend to suffer from terrible VA and cornball dialogue though I think that has more to do with the localization than the actual writing.  Look at MGS4, every few people I knew considered lengthy cutscenes in that game a glaring flaw.

 

kay....kay.....kay......kaayyyyyy......kayyyyyy.....{calls huge flaming animal doggie}.....kay.....kay

{EXPLODES}!

 

This pretty much covers what I have in mind when I wrote that post.  Which pretty much brings me to another problem I have with JRPG cutscenes: facial expressions/lip syncing or should I say lack of them.  Other than Lost Odyssey and The Last Remnant, the lip syning has been nothing short of horrendous in current gen JRPGs.  Star Ocean 4 in particular also suffers from a lack of facial expressions.

 



 

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SickleSigh on 08 March 2009
Riachu said:
theshrike said:
@S.T.A.G.E.
I don't think they are doomed, few genres ever are, (well maybe westerns and musicals)

I don't want JRPG's to go away, I want them to come back with something new.

They will happen.  Especially if Western developers for some strange reason start to make them.

 

@theshrike

I think the problem with cutscenes in JRPGs isn't so much the length of them as much as it is the writing and voice acting in them.  JRPGs these days tend to suffer from terrible VA and cornball dialogue though I think that has more to do with the localization than the actual writing.  Look at MGS4, every few people I knew considered lengthy cutscenes in that game a glaring flaw.

 

For me it's not just the dialoge which does make me chuckle sometimes but it's the lead characters. In FFXII the only character I could relate to and actually cared about was balthier. Vaan got on my nerves and I know people like Fran but she completely annoyed me from the way she looked, to her dialogue. Tidus was whiny and childish etc. MGS4 was a bigger hit because Snakes attitude is more western imo.The characters aren't really designed to appeal to western audiences, some people like that and some don't.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 08 March 2009
theshrike said:
@S.T.A.G.E.
I don't think they are doomed, few genres ever are, (well maybe westerns and musicals)

I don't want JRPG's to go away, I want them to come back with something new.

 

Trust me. It's not about quality why JRPG's sales dropped. It's really about the fact that the main JRPG console right now isn't Japanese. They will wait......trust me.



Xxain on 08 March 2009

I think JRPG's arnt evolving, story and gameplay wise so they get stale especially when when the same character persona's in appear in every JRPG



Carl on 08 March 2009

For me the only good JRPGs ive played this gen are Lost Odd and maybe Blue Dragon ( would be a cert except Marumaro is fucking annoying )
But i suppose we can judge whats happened to JRPGs when FF13/Versus is released, and SE start something new... or when they start FF7 remake