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Pristine20 on 30 January 2009
smallflyingtaco said:
For the most part I think that is a mistake. The high price point buyers by this point are pretty much mined out -- there are some for certain but I do not think enough to matter. The feature is not a bad one but if it requires raising the price I think they will end up with a lot of stock they will not be able to sell or making these in extremely small runs which is less cost efficient.

It would be marketed as a "premium" model. This is like how everyone complains of the price of ps360 games at launch but collectors verions sometimes sell better than regular versions. Why? Because there are some who are interested in the extras.

 



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hduser on 30 January 2009

Advertise the features:

Web browser, downloadable music, blu-ray, etc. We all know what makes the PS3 and 360 similar. Sony needs to SERIOUSLY show what makes it different.

I think the problem is that it does too many things and doesn't appeal to enough people.  I think Sony needs to rethink why the PS3 should be in your living room as an important centerpiece.  I think the major thing holding it back is that it's online experience isn't cohesive enough and I don't think Sony's HOME is helping the matter.  While Xbox live isn't the greatest it does provide a seamless experience from gaming to online store.  If sony can do this and add the web browser (hopefully with an HP printer support), it would kick butt.  At the moment I still have to resort to a PC to browse, if they can take over this function, I think people would look to the PS3 as an every day experience.



Pristine20 on 30 January 2009
NJ5 said:
Just so we're clear: are we talking about launching the old PS3 model for $550-$600?

I ask because there's already a $500 model, right?

 

The $500 model doesn't look like it's doing too well so it should be discontinued. Ebgames.com doesn't even have it yet they have the old ps3 models. That speaks volumes!



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 30 January 2009
Vetteman94 said:
They got BC to work using software emulation on the original 80GB PS3's

 

I think we're talking firmware emulation because they apparently stopped software emulation too because it was too expensive.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Words Of Wisdom on 30 January 2009
Vetteman94 said:
No raising the price and adding another sku would be bad. All they need for BC is to get it to work using software emulation, thats it. Then drop the price when they can afford it, probably by fall. Then the sales will rise, especially if you can get GT5, Uncharted 2, R&CF 2 and FFXIII(in japan) out by the end of the year. I would expect the PS3 to greatly improve on last years numbers.

You realize that even with the GS chip, the original 80 Gb's software BC is iffy at best as it fails and glitches on many titles.  Asking them to rewrite the BC to not only work flawlessly but also without the GS chip is asking more than you realize especially considering that with most software emulation you essentially need a machine roughly 10 times more powerful than the original to get it work.

Odds of seeing BC on models without EE/GS chips are slim to none.



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d21lewis on 30 January 2009
hduser said:

Advertise the features:

Web browser, downloadable music, blu-ray, etc. We all know what makes the PS3 and 360 similar. Sony needs to SERIOUSLY show what makes it different.

I think the problem is that it does too many things and doesn't appeal to enough people.  I think Sony needs to rethink why the PS3 should be in your living room as an important centerpiece.  I think the major thing holding it back is that it's online experience isn't cohesive enough and I don't think Sony's HOME is helping the matter.  While Xbox live isn't the greatest it does provide a seamless experience from gaming to online store.  If sony can do this and add the web browser (hopefully with an HP printer support), it would kick butt.  At the moment I still have to resort to a PC to browse, if they can take over this function, I think people would look to the PS3 as an every experience.

By Web browser, I meant to say instant porn on demand on your HDTV.  Advertise free online porn via PS3 at the Superbowl, and watch the demand go crazy.

 



Vetteman94 on 30 January 2009

So you need a PS3 with 10 times the current processing power to run old PS2 games? OK, what was I thinking.



NJ5 on 30 January 2009
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
Just so we're clear: are we talking about launching the old PS3 model for $550-$600?

I ask because there's already a $500 model, right?

 

The $500 model doesn't look like it's doing too well so it should be discontinued. Ebgames.com doesn't even have it yet they have the old ps3 models. That speaks volumes!

So your idea boils down to adding PS2 BC to the $500 model, is that what you mean?

It doesn't seem like a bad idea, but I don't know how much it costs Sony. I guess it comes at a significant cost otherwise they wouldn't have removed BC in the first place.

 



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Pristine20 on 30 January 2009
NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
Just so we're clear: are we talking about launching the old PS3 model for $550-$600?

I ask because there's already a $500 model, right?

 

The $500 model doesn't look like it's doing too well so it should be discontinued. Ebgames.com doesn't even have it yet they have the old ps3 models. That speaks volumes!

So your idea boils down to adding PS2 BC to the $500 model, is that what you mean?

It doesn't seem like a bad idea, but I don't know how much it costs Sony. I guess it comes at a significant cost otherwise they wouldn't have removed BC in the first place.

 

Something like that. Some people have bought used 60gbs for over $600. Sony needs to kill of that atrocious market.  BC removal happened shortly after sony's regime change i.e from Kutaragi to Kaz, I don't think Kaz understands what BC has done for the ps brand and I'm pretty sure it couldn't cost over $100 to add the emotion engine to a ps3 or even software emulation.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Words Of Wisdom on 30 January 2009
Vetteman94 said:
So you need a PS3 with 10 times the current processing power to run old PS2 games? OK, what was I thinking.

The problem is several fold here not the least bit that most (if not all) of the processing will be shunted straight to the PS3's processor.  Performance is still adequate on 80Gb because the GS chip is able to take part of the burden off the processor.  Getting the same performance with the processor handling all aspects of the game on its own would be especially tenuous especially considering the PS3 is already less than ideal at handling things which cannot take advantage of its 7 SPEs.

It's not simply a matter of "PS3 is stronger than PS2, it should work fine."  Full emulation requires way more than you might think.