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Alby_da_Wolf on 15 March 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
Impulsivity said:

One issue with the MS one is that it takes into account far more then just the Xbox. Included in the EDD segment are things that are actually profitable such as the microsoft branded keyboards and mice as well as PC games made by microsoft studios such as Ensemble. They purposely obscure the Xbox revenue by including it with many other devices because it is almost certainly still losing money (particularly with the ongoing RROD repair cost allowance of over a billion).  Even things as far from gaming as Windows Mobile phone licensing is included in that number.  Given that all the other areas turned a profit before teh Xbox brought the division into loss territory its almost certain that the xbox is at best breaking even allowing the other more profitable divisions to keep the segment in the black.

Maybe the Xbox division ekked out a narrow profit last year, but I doubt it. Sony on the other hand breaks out all their divisions quite extensively so whatever is made/lost on the PS systems is completely contained accurately and not obscured by PS systems being bundled in with TVs or whatever.

 

Ah yes... I knew I could count on you to post that. You have no basis whatsoever to state such thing, yet you always do it, every 3 months like a clockwork. Sometimes I do wonder how it feels to live in a land of fantasy where MS is just a lossy, poorly managed company while Sony is the world's example of shining collaboration between research and business triumph.

 

So do you know what's earning and what's losing in EDD and how much?

And do you know how much every division contributes to losses accounted for in "Corporate level activity" balance item?

 

 



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AE86 on 15 March 2009

I wonder if MS will ever reach overall profit?



Bitmap Frogs on 15 March 2009
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Ah yes... I knew I could count on you to post that. You have no basis whatsoever to state such thing, yet you always do it, every 3 months like a clockwork. Sometimes I do wonder how it feels to live in a land of fantasy where MS is just a lossy, poorly managed company while Sony is the world's example of shining collaboration between research and business triumph.

 

So do you know what's earning and what's losing in EDD and how much?

And do you know how much every division contributes to losses accounted for in "Corporate level activity" balance item?

 

No, but you look like the kind of guy who knows what general overseed the removal of Roswell's charred remains.

Any other conspiracy theory about MS financial statements? Maybe the keys to the Temple of Salomon are coded into the Office Unit revenue?





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TheSource on 15 March 2009

Looking back at the old profitability numbers I'm led to believe that Nintendo charged alot less to develop NES games than it did on future systems. Hmm

The data from the 1980s would have included profitable almost exclusively from Arcade hits, Mr. Game & Watch and NES alone, minus their development costs, minus developing games, advertising, setting up offices worldwide, and then developing Game Boy & SNES, researching CD-Roms, the losses at the anti-monopoly hearings.

 



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celine on 15 March 2009
TheSource said:

Looking back at the old profitability numbers I'm led to believe that Nintendo charged alot less to develop NES games than it did on future systems. Hmm

You mean royalties from third-parties?

From what I know the first contracts made when Famicom/Nes hadn't still take off were favorable to third-parties ( like Namco or Hudson ).

However when was the time to renew those contracts after five years then Nintendo charged the full price for the licensee ( famous is the anecdote of Yamauchi humiliating Namco's CEO ).

Don't forget also that one of the greatest source of income for Nintendo was that they were the exclusive manufacture of every Nes cartridge. Third-parties paid Nintendo in advance to get the cart even before they gained anything from their game.

I remember that at the beginning of the GBA/GC era Nintendo lowered their royalties.



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DiplomaticImmunity on 15 March 2009

wow @ nintenDOUGH



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Pretendo on 15 March 2009

Wow, 28 years of pure profit. Ridiculous 2008 profit.
Go Nintendo!
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Grooski on 16 March 2009
Alterego-X said:
Globox82 said:
In a long run PS3 will make sh1t load of money to Sony. Why? Well Blu Ray, Last time they didn't get much money from DVD sales, but with Blue ray it is different story. Not only this gen but when next gen both MS and Nintendo adopt Bluray in next gen systems( you know they will) they will pay licence fee to Sony for every disk/game sold.
Cell tech will be used in next PS, so even if it looks bad in a long run it is smart move. Just like in poker, long run is what counts.
Props to Nintendo, they know how to make money and stay in biz.
Ms? Well someone has to much money...

 

Assumption #1: Blu-ray will win the format war against DD (unlikely)

 

 

 

 

 

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1337 Gamer on 16 March 2009

wow M$ really needs to start making a profit. They got 9 billion to make back up and last year was a good start



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NanakiXI on 16 March 2009

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