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Jo21 on 29 December 2008
Squilliam said:
Actually this is where Microsoft has done well.

I can switch a HDD on an Xbox 360 in less time than it takes to boot up the average game. They give you a transfer cable if you buy the 120GB model, whereas a transition from a 40gb to 250gb HDD say on the PS3 sounds like a complete PITA in comparison.

I can also migrate my profile onto a memory card in the same time or less. It made going from one console to another a complete breeze. With my PS3 when I sent it in for repair I had to buy a precision screwdriver set to yank the HDD.

 

ps3 have a back up utility too, and upgrade the 2.5 hdd is hardly 5 min, remove the cover unscrew remove the drive insert the new one.

@mrstickball, tech isnt but its propietary in the way you have to buy a m$ hdd or doing all the mumbo jumbo you just mentioned.

this time around sony have done a great job designing their hardware that its easy to upgrade,

power cable got lost or broke? u can use any pc power cable.

@Sqrl fair enough, but i 3.5 are big more noisy and require more power, ps3 or 360 would have been bigger, more noisy and comsume more power.

2.5 is standard enough, and its easier to replace than own laptop HDD.



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Squilliam on 30 December 2008
Jo21 said:
Squilliam said:
Actually this is where Microsoft has done well.

I can switch a HDD on an Xbox 360 in less time than it takes to boot up the average game. They give you a transfer cable if you buy the 120GB model, whereas a transition from a 40gb to 250gb HDD say on the PS3 sounds like a complete PITA in comparison.

I can also migrate my profile onto a memory card in the same time or less. It made going from one console to another a complete breeze. With my PS3 when I sent it in for repair I had to buy a precision screwdriver set to yank the HDD.

 

ps3 have a back up utility too, and upgrade the 2.5 hdd is hardly 5 min, remove the cover unscrew remove the drive insert the new one.

@mrstickball, tech isnt but its propietary in the way you have to buy a m$ hdd or doing all the mumbo jumbo you just mentioned.

this time around sony have done a great job designing their hardware that its easy to upgrade,

power cable got lost or broke? u can use any pc power cable.

@Sqrl fair enough, but i 3.5 are big more noisy and require more power, ps3 or 360 would have been bigger, more noisy and comsume more power.

2.5 is standard enough, and its easier to replace than own laptop HDD.

"The removable storage device must use the FAT32 file system in order for the PS3 to recognise it. If you have an external hard drive that's formatted in NTFS, you can use the Disk Management utility in Windows to reformat the drive, but you'll need to create partitions on large external hard drives because Windows can only do FAT32 on drives 32GB or smaller. "

Thats the issue there. If you want to transition HDDs you have to reinstall a bunch of games, and your thumb stick has to be FAT32. Its an added complication which makes an already intimidating process seem daunting for your average user.

 



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Sqrl on 30 December 2008
Jo21 said:

@Sqrl fair enough, but i 3.5 are big more noisy and require more power, ps3 or 360 would have been bigger, more noisy and comsume more power.

2.5 is standard enough, and its easier to replace than own laptop HDD.

Well and thats the thing.  My suggestion was to make 2.5" standard with the SKUs but to have a capacity for users to install a 3.5".  Then the option is there for users who need the space and those who don't can save the power and the avoid the extra noise (neither of which are a big difference if you get a decent brand honestly).

Actually I would love to buy a PS3 without a hard drive and just install one myself.  I've got a 750GB hard drive that would be perfect for it~

 
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kn on 30 December 2008

The install procedure, sometimes rather long, is a uniquely annoying feature only found on the PS3 this gen. That said, I've gotten used to it. I just put the game in, get it started installing, and then grab a coke or something. It's kind of like everything else in life... Once you get used to it, it's not that bad.



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leo-j on 30 December 2008

Its because developers dont know how to program ps3 games.. I mean UNCHARTED which is the best looking game on consoles, has no install, same with call of duty 4, call of duty world at war etc..

Most 3rd party games do have installs though.



 

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Capulous on 30 December 2008

I agree it is a pain. Consoles games have generally been just put in and play, unfortunately this is not the case with some PS3 games. If you play one of these games remove it and later want to play it again, you need to install it again just to play it. IMO, it was a bad decision to go this route, but it seems by choosing to go Blu-ray, they really didn't have much of an alternative. I hope this doesn't set some sort of precedent, but unfortunately it may be necessary later. I'm not a big fan of digital distribution either.



Squilliam on 30 December 2008
leo-j said:
Its because developers dont know how to program ps3 games.. I mean UNCHARTED which is the best looking game on consoles, has no install, same with call of duty 4, call of duty world at war etc..

Most 3rd party games do have installs though.

Uncharted is also a closed world, if you jump off the wrong rock you die instantly because the developers couldn't let you go that way.

 



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markers on 30 December 2008
Squilliam said:
leo-j said:
Its because developers dont know how to program ps3 games.. I mean UNCHARTED which is the best looking game on consoles, has no install, same with call of duty 4, call of duty world at war etc..

Most 3rd party games do have installs though.

Uncharted is also a closed world, if you jump off the wrong rock you die instantly because the developers couldn't let you go that way.

 

 

all games are a closed world. hell our world is a closed world. anywho in uncharted if you jump off the wrong rock and you die its probably because you fell to your death, i mean if i was scaling some old ruins and i jumped to reach another ledge but it was not a grabable ledge and i fell im pretty sure id die, and once i respawn ill know to try a different route.



dark_gh0st_b0y on 30 December 2008
Sevengen said:

     I just read through a few of the posts on a different thread, "What DON'T you like about your console"  and I just have to comment about one regarding the PS3.

It never occured to me that because of the mandatory installs, required because of the slow reading Blu-Ray drive, that eventually the HDD might fill up (depending on how many games, movies, etc...etc.. you have stored) forcing you to ERASE an older game you might not have finished or still like to play if you want to play a game you just bought.

That's absolutely insane.

So... if that scenario actually plays out for a few of you.... instead of just being able to pop in an old game that you enjoy and play it... you have to re-install it on your PS3's HDD first. What an absolutely rediculous format restriction... and yet you guys endlessly stick up for the PS3's amazing capabilities although you can't even enjoy the same basic 'gaming' functionality that the Atari 2600 gave customers back in 1977. 30 years ago.

I know...you can always buy an inexpensive upgrade to the HD, but just the fact that limitation even exists for PS3 owners is crazy to me. ANY GAME SYSTEM SHOULD PLAY THE GAME YOU PUT IN THE DRIVE WITHOUT ANY HEADACHES. PERIOD.

I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just amazed by that. That's simply crazy and if I were a PS3 owner (albeit, enjoying the likes of MSG4, LBp and Drake's Fortune) that would be more than enough to pick up the competition's console.

 

one of the reason i find Wii much more simple to use than Ps3, and more practical

 

i mostly use my Ps3 for movies and episodes of series and so on, i have a 40Gb, so HDD is almost full, i just have 4 games, they all need install and now i have to upgrade the hard disk or erase some files or waste time waiting for it to install and unistall games.....this is baaad.... :  (

i have to buy at least 120Gb disk.... : (

 



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Fumanchu on 30 December 2008
Dallinor said:
*Goes to count*

I have the data from 19 PS3 games, Home, 6 PSN titles, 4 demos, 14 trailers, 2 music albums and one photo stored on my PS3.

I still have 11GB out of my 55GB remaining.

In order to reach the problem you're describing, a gamer would need to have a massive amount of content installed on their system. I would imagine those that do reach that stage would be in a very small minority who, because of the extent of their interest with the system- shown by the amount of content on it- would be the most likely group to upgrade their hard drive in the first place.

That's your scenario - worst case scenario you own the following 8 games and a 40GB sku and you're pretty much spent for space.   Actually the problem is greatly exemplified if you were an early adopter of a 20GB sku.

DMC4 – 4.83
MGS4 – 4.0
GT5: P – 5.24
Lost Planet – 4.9
Haze - 3.82
Enemy Territory – 4.2
Oblivion – 4.6
Bourne Conspiracy – 4.7

Total install size for above 8 games - 36.29GB

Installation on these games is mandatory.  Forget installing for optimization purposes.  Re-installing DMC4 to play again/finish at a later date is not an act done lightly with a 25 minute install time.

source: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182682