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WiiStation360 on 20 November 2008
goddog said:

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

 

In other news, MS Zune wins the NA music market!!!!!

The MS Zune crushed other portable music players from Creative and Sony to claim the NA crown.  All hail the champion! (IPod sales do not cound because thye are winning, therefore not interesting to me.)



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Pristine20 on 20 November 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Afterman said:

1. I have a PS3

2. I am a sony Fanboy (yes...I want every xbox360 game to fail)

3. The 360 is a monter in NA. North America adopted the 360 as HD console...not the PS3.

 

Why?

1. Price

2. Games and Network

 

I think...there is no return back for Sony here. Unless they bring some price cuts really fast.

Yeah, we have Killzone 2, GT5, GOW3....but those games are not going to save a 2009 economy, where budgets are very slim.... Next year is going to be very difficult for the world, and a $200 console is the way vs a $400.

What do you think?

 

What do I think?

I think that if you wanted 360 exclusives to flop, this is a very sad time in your life.

Now, speaking on HD consoles only:

It's SLIGHTLY too early to call the Americas for MS, but it's getting past the point of no return here. Sony refuses to compete, and soon they won't be able to do so, even if they wanted.

Are you serious LMAO. Visit any gamestop in the US and the answer will shine in your face. M$ beat sony in America because of the American penchant for early adoption and price, couple that with an economic crisis + similar games and there's no way the ps3's catching up...'nuff said. Did u tone down the rhetoric to appease fans or something? lol.

At this point, I think sony is just trying to please the customers who stuck with them while making a profit and sitting this gen through.

 



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steverhcp02 on 20 November 2008
WiiStation360 said:
goddog said:

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

 

In other news, MS Zune wins the NA music market!!!!!

The MS Zune crushed other portable music players from Creative and Sony to claim the NA crown.  All hail the champion! (IPod sales do not cound because thye are winning, therefore not interesting to me.)

 

i think you missed the point. The point is its accepted the Wii is cleaning house...so why even debate its sales compared to the other two when its just going to be the same old same old. The variables and competition between the 360 an dPS3 can still be healthy and fun whereas teh Wii isnt going to be touched....

Go to the nintendo forums and have your circle jerk if you want it, but when discussing numbers its stupid to argue and debate "wow the wii is fantastic" "Nuh, uh the wii is GREAT" "nuh uh teh wii is super duper" Wii is cleaning house. its not interesting or fun to debate competition when there is none.




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goddog on 20 November 2008
WiiStation360 said:
goddog said:

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

 

In other news, MS Zune wins the NA music market!!!!!

The MS Zune crushed other portable music players from Creative and Sony to claim the NA crown.  All hail the champion! (IPod sales do not cound because thye are winning, therefore not interesting to me.)

you could make that claim, but if i remember right, its not in second its in 3rd..... also looking back i seem to remember MS actually doing that for the original hard drive zune  in a certain gb range, when it first came out it took over second, and ms touted it as taking the market by storm ignoring the ipods market dominace.... check press releases about  a year and a half ago i think.  heh it was cool to see that much spin at work 

 



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triplebph on 20 November 2008

The 360 isn't the monster in NA because the Wii still has higher sales than the 360 there.

I think PS3 will at least come in second to the Wii in Others and Japan and cut the 360's NA lead in half by the time this gen is over.



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Jordahn on 20 November 2008
goddog said:
Jordahn said:
goddog said:
steven787 said:
In the sales discussion, Wii is #1. Any talk of 360 being number one should be in the gaming discussion, whether referencing sales or anything else... ;)

Seriously, why is the Wii never counted.

360 has the top total software and third party software for America.

Wii is 100m-53m=47m, 360 131-28= 103. Now I believe this is because third parties think like you do, and don't think about the Wii. They are bad business people and are throwing away potential business by making no compelling software for the average NA "core" gamer.

As a PS3 owner, I think it's pretty obvious why 360 killed the PS3. Price, Earlier Launch, Halo 3, and online experience. I could argue why I bought a PS3, but what I think about the console doesn't matter to sales across the continent.

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

Wii should be counted because as I've always said $250 on a Wii is that much less to buy somethine else.  This is contrete, not abstract.  It also helps keep the 360 and PS3 fanboys in their place, but then again, there will always be those who are lost forever.  I sure hope not.

 

 

its not that its abstract or concrete, it simply has to do with fun and plausibility. right now it is not plausible for either of the HD consoles to outsell the wii at almost any price, the people arguing in the thread (most of them anyway) realize this. so they have moved onto a topic of debate that is still up in the air. this gives them leverage to make hypothesis for others to debate. 

now if you want the wii involved the question becomes can the hd consoles somehow maintain 50% market share? you could go open that thread.

but in here the battle is for second and third, with lively debate on each side, and the wii dose not enter into it because it will not end up in third or second 

I'm staying within Steven's context since that was his point which is very valid in regards to those who are seemingly hypocritical to deny/not-point-out the Wii's success over the 360.



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Pristine20 on 20 November 2008
triplebph said:
The 360 isn't the monster in NA because the Wii still has higher sales than the 360 there.

I think PS3 will at least come in second to the Wii in Others and Japan and cut the 360's NA lead in half by the time this gen is over.

 

Japan is almost a guaranteed second. Others could go either way. As for NA, I predict that the ps3 will only make it half way if it has an extra-LONG gen while M$ jumps ship early again.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 20 November 2008
Jordahn said:
goddog said:
Jordahn said:
goddog said:
steven787 said:
In the sales discussion, Wii is #1. Any talk of 360 being number one should be in the gaming discussion, whether referencing sales or anything else... ;)

Seriously, why is the Wii never counted.

360 has the top total software and third party software for America.

Wii is 100m-53m=47m, 360 131-28= 103. Now I believe this is because third parties think like you do, and don't think about the Wii. They are bad business people and are throwing away potential business by making no compelling software for the average NA "core" gamer.

As a PS3 owner, I think it's pretty obvious why 360 killed the PS3. Price, Earlier Launch, Halo 3, and online experience. I could argue why I bought a PS3, but what I think about the console doesn't matter to sales across the continent.

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

Wii should be counted because as I've always said $250 on a Wii is that much less to buy somethine else. This is contrete, not abstract. It also helps keep the 360 and PS3 fanboys in their place, but then again, there will always be those who are lost forever. I sure hope not.

 

 

its not that its abstract or concrete, it simply has to do with fun and plausibility. right now it is not plausible for either of the HD consoles to outsell the wii at almost any price, the people arguing in the thread (most of them anyway) realize this. so they have moved onto a topic of debate that is still up in the air. this gives them leverage to make hypothesis for others to debate.

now if you want the wii involved the question becomes can the hd consoles somehow maintain 50% market share? you could go open that thread.

but in here the battle is for second and third, with lively debate on each side, and the wii dose not enter into it because it will not end up in third or second

I'm staying within Steven's context since that was his point which is very valid in regards to those who are seemingly hypocritical to deny/not-point-out the Wii's success over the 360.

I think at this point, no one is denying the wii's success. It's an accepted first by gamers and analysts alike so the argument is always about "first" amongst PS360

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Jordahn on 20 November 2008
steverhcp02 said:
WiiStation360 said:
goddog said:
 

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

 

In other news, MS Zune wins the NA music market!!!!!

The MS Zune crushed other portable music players from Creative and Sony to claim the NA crown.  All hail the champion! (IPod sales do not cound because thye are winning, therefore not interesting to me.)

 

i think you missed the point. The point is its accepted the Wii is cleaning house...so why even debate its sales compared to the other two when its just going to be the same old same old. The variables and competition between the 360 an dPS3 can still be healthy and fun whereas teh Wii isnt going to be touched....

Go to the nintendo forums and have your circle jerk if you want it, but when discussing numbers its stupid to argue and debate "wow the wii is fantastic" "Nuh, uh the wii is GREAT" "nuh uh teh wii is super duper" Wii is cleaning house. its not interesting or fun to debate competition when there is none.

Actually, you and goddog are missing Steven787's point of ignoring the Wii in all of this such as for developers (missing out on profits) and fanboys because... they are fanboys.  :)

 



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goddog on 20 November 2008
Jordahn said:
goddog said:
Jordahn said:
goddog said:
steven787 said:
In the sales discussion, Wii is #1. Any talk of 360 being number one should be in the gaming discussion, whether referencing sales or anything else... ;)

Seriously, why is the Wii never counted.

360 has the top total software and third party software for America.

Wii is 100m-53m=47m, 360 131-28= 103. Now I believe this is because third parties think like you do, and don't think about the Wii. They are bad business people and are throwing away potential business by making no compelling software for the average NA "core" gamer.

As a PS3 owner, I think it's pretty obvious why 360 killed the PS3. Price, Earlier Launch, Halo 3, and online experience. I could argue why I bought a PS3, but what I think about the console doesn't matter to sales across the continent.

 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

Wii should be counted because as I've always said $250 on a Wii is that much less to buy somethine else.  This is contrete, not abstract.  It also helps keep the 360 and PS3 fanboys in their place, but then again, there will always be those who are lost forever.  I sure hope not.

 

 

its not that its abstract or concrete, it simply has to do with fun and plausibility. right now it is not plausible for either of the HD consoles to outsell the wii at almost any price, the people arguing in the thread (most of them anyway) realize this. so they have moved onto a topic of debate that is still up in the air. this gives them leverage to make hypothesis for others to debate. 

now if you want the wii involved the question becomes can the hd consoles somehow maintain 50% market share? you could go open that thread.

but in here the battle is for second and third, with lively debate on each side, and the wii dose not enter into it because it will not end up in third or second 

I'm staying within Steven's context since that was his point which is very valid in regards to those who are seemingly hypocritical to deny/not-point-out the Wii's success over the 360.

 

so your just going to0 ignore my argument and claim victory. interesting. he did not say anything about being hypocritical he asked a question. I answered with what i though, you responded and are now abandoning the argument. 



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