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Jackson50 on 10 November 2008
steven787 said:
What Roosevelt did during the GD was to keep America from going Socialist, Communist, or Fascist. He gave people hope in a time when there seemed to be none. His leadership prevented revolution and violence in the borders.

At least you offer a political defense of Roosevelt as opposed to an economic defense. From an economic standpoint, Roosevelt's much like Hoover's policies were disastrous. Nonetheless, FDR was an acceptable alternative to the Bolsheviks, Fascists, and Nazis. 

 



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cdude1034 on 10 November 2008
mrstickball said:
Regardless of what you want to say, FDR did institute communistic/socialistic programs thanks to the New Deal and Second New Deal. Social Security is, and was, a major erosion of peoples' rights in favor of government control over our income.

And however you want to argue about Social Security, know this: As a worker under Social Security, you will not make back whatever you put into it after adding inflation. Interest in SS accrues at 2% per year.

That's in total opposition to any other retirement system available - Even a bank offers higher interest rates via Money Markets and CD's than what Social Security does. If you are a government worker, their pension plan nets you above 10% per year in returns - well above inflation.

Even if you can argue for a voluntary retirement savings, there's still absolutely no reason why the Government has to run it, and run it so poorly.

 

I will completely agree with the fact that SS has completely run it's course and it's time for us to take control of our own retirement money.

At the time however, the country needed the financial security that FDR provided many people through his programs. You can argue whether or not it was communist/socialist, but the bottom line is that he did what was necesarry at the time and it worked.



 

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darklich13 on 10 November 2008

John Adams - we need more men like this in our time.



EMULATION is the past.....NOW.......B_E_L_I_E_V_E

 

 


mrstickball on 10 November 2008
cdude1034 said:

I will completely agree with the fact that SS has completely run it's course and it's time for us to take control of our own retirement money.

At the time however, the country needed the financial security that FDR provided many people through his programs. You can argue whether or not it was communist/socialist, but the bottom line is that he did what was necesarry at the time and it worked.

I'm not disagreeing that a mandatory pension system for Americans is a bad idea. It's socialist, but not entirely bad.

However, the program wasn't forward-thinking enough to understand that it'd get outdated. In the modern era, we have far better means of corporate, small business, and self-employed retirement systems, and SS needs scrapped, and quickly. I was shocked when Obama (and others on the left) *accused* John McCain of wanting to privatize Social Security - As if it was a bad thing!

At any rate, I agree that it was needed then but is not needed, in it's current form now.

 



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Jackson50 on 10 November 2008
mrstickball said:I'm not disagreeing that a mandatory pension system for Americans is a bad idea. It's socialist, but not entirely bad.

However, the program wasn't forward-thinking enough to understand that it'd get outdated. In the modern era, we have far better means of corporate, small business, and self-employed retirement systems, and SS needs scrapped, and quickly. I was shocked when Obama (and others on the left) *accused* John McCain of wanting to privatize Social Security - As if it was a bad thing!

At any rate, I agree that it was needed then but is not needed, in it's current form now.

 

I remember Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primaries had posited a hypothetical situation which she thought was most ghastly: what if Social Security had been and was voluntary? She thought it would have been a tragedy if Social Security had been voluntary. It is unfortunate that politicians oppose voluntary social security.

 



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SnesTea on 10 November 2008

Reagan

He managed to rake up over 500 electoral votes in '84 against Mondale. I don't any President has gotten that many electoral votes.



brute on 10 November 2008

I'd have to say FDR.



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whatever on 10 November 2008
mrstickball said:
steven787 said:
If we are limited to serving presidents, George W. Bush. He completely redefined the role of the President in the US, and the US in the world. Everything was completely horrible and wrong but he woke up much of the electorate. GWB ignited a fire in the liberals, centrists, and moderates while forcing many conservatives to rethink and reevaluate the meaning of conservatism in governing.

Without him, the US would still be ignoring or accepting racially and socially divisive rhetoric of two Americas. Many Americans would still wrongly believe that America can do what it wants around the world.

I'm so thankful we've had such a president who was so sure of himself and dismissive of the dissenting opinion. America will rebound stronger than it would have without a president like George W. Bush.

Interesting viewpoint, and I agree with most of it.

GWB has been one of, if not the, most polarizing presidents in modern history - Love it or hate it. He's stuck to his beliefs no matter the cost. Rather than get a majority opinion, he sought the right opinion - again, love or hate it.

Sometimes, very rarely, but sometimes, the presidency needs different kinds of figures, and GWB was/is a no-nonsense cowboy. And for having gone through some of the most atrocious things a country has ever had to deal with (attack on continental soil, wars, 2 recessions, $4.29/gal gas, housing collapse, incidents with China, and the economic collapse), it's been an interesting ride. He may of not been what America wanted, but I think that in time, we'll realize he was what we needed.

And as a human being, I'd agree that Carter is one of the best. I think his presidency was horrible, but I certainly respect him, and the work he's done after his 4 years in office. No president in the past ~50 years has done what he has after attaining the highest office in the US.

I think you missed the sarcasm their mr. stickball.  I couldn't disagree more about GWB.  I had to laugh with the "he sought the right opinion" statement.  Right according to whom?  That's the problem, there sometimes is not "right" or "wrong", just differences, but GWB treated it as he was right and other were wrong with no grey area.  That's a horrible trait for a leader.

As Stephen Colbert said about GWB,  "He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday."

 



steven787 on 10 November 2008

That was not sarcasm, sorry to disappoint. Best President is like Time's "Man of the Year"... it's not always a good thing.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Jackson50 on 10 November 2008
steven787 said:
That was not sarcasm, sorry to disappoint. Best President is like Time's "Man of the Year"... it's not always a good thing.

If you would allow me to use an American-football analogy...you believe we needed to regress a few yards before we could progress ten yards.