DonWii said: Louie said: @Ioi: How about tracking "shipped" data, too? I know, we´ve got this "hardware" page but how about asking retailers how big their shipments usually are and uptade the "shipped" figure ones a month? The numbers could look like: "XBox 360: 10,07M sold to consumers" and small below: "as off 12,70M shipped to retailers." What about that?  First of all, it would be more work for ioi. Secondly, he would then have to convince people that, not only are the numbers on the site legitimate for sell-through to consumers, the shipped numbers that they are newly tracking are, aslo, accurate.

Yes, I know about that.

 If once a month is too much effort you could just take the official numbers Sony, Mircosoft and Nintendo gave us. Then people will say: "oh look, they have those numbers here, too but under shipped to retailers." Everyone has to get that I hope. And it wouldn´t be that much work if Ioi would just use the "official" numbers as we don´t get them that often. The front page could say: "As of 12,70M shipped to retailers till march 31st" or so. 

I provided before a link from a website dedicated to gaming that explicitly says Sony took care to explain they were talking about sold to customers .Now you cant read can you ?

What I am saying is that that kind of pages are all over the internet ,and believing them isnt the work of a maniac or a hater simply of someone that reads some supposeddly "official "information and believes it .

 Now ,tell me ,where does Sony says they are talking to SOLD TO RETAILERS ??Never .So your guess is as good as mine or as the guy who wrote Sony that mail  ,dont act as if you had the truth in your side because you dont have a clue .

 Now I understand ,the link I provided was to a french webpage and you reading abilities in french are nearing zero ,so you are somehow imagining that I just made up the "sold to customers " line .

Now for the funny part ,when back in early june Sony gave the Europe numbers they explicitly said they had 1.52 million shipped and 1.05 million sold to CUSTOMERS .

 You dont have any right to insinuate I am an idiot ,you are nobody to say so ,especially having in count that you dont have a clue what are you talking about .So please ,dont be so arrogant because you sound ridiculous .

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6572&Itemid=2

Sony also said that it has changed method of disclosing unit numbers. The firm will now disclose figures for hardware and software according to the selling numbers, or the number of products being sold to retail and other outlets. Previously, the firm went by production shipment numbers.

 Can anyone explain to my why 3.57M (last quarter total) + 0.71M (fst quarter) suddenly equals 4.48M ???

Someone must have commited and error while adding up ,its 4.28 .Thats some 300K worlwide difference ,nothing too important .

Maybe they used one of the original Pentiums to do the math? (sorry, old computer joke.)

You should tell everyone sending emails about the recent Sony 'sold' figures to send there emails to: Iknow@Idontcare.com.

Also Diomedes, how would Sony know how many were sold to consumers in Spain? They would theoritically track them in pretty much the same way VGchartz does except they would (logically) take the higher end of the margin of error.
Im pretty sure retailers dont report back how many they have actually sold to Sony.